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    #1 Andreas Stephens, Apr 17, 2016
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    Having read some articles on various dashcam installations for the Model S (all of which are more or less messy), I was wondering if the function of these cameras could not be fulfilled by the already installed cameras for autopilot/autonomous driving.

    All it would require is to add recording capability to already built-in cameras.

    Does anyone know anything if this ever came up in previous discussions with Tesla management?
     
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      It seems like such a no-brainer. It blows my mind that a car with a built-in forward-facing camera doesn't offer this already. Hopefully Tesla has thought about adding the capability.
       
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        Seems easy enough to add but I'm Ok with it either way. I have a Blackvue in my current car and will be moving it to the Model 3.
         
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        If Tesla would open up the software ecosystem with an sdk like they said they would, then I imagine it would be a matter of weeks before such a program would be available. I understand why they haven't, though. Particularly with something critical like the autopilot sensors.

        We also don't know what kind of camera it is. It may be an IR only camera, or something like the pi nior. This wouldn't make it unusable but would affect the video quality.
         
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        How about Tesla use the autopilot camera or cameras as a dashcam ?
        The recorded footage would be accessible via wifi so viewable from a laptop or phone.
        The dashcam would have an ON/OFF option for those who don't want their journey recorded.
        What do you think ?

        Regards
        James
         
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          That's true. My *guess* is that it's optical. The camera is used to find lane markings and speed limit signs. Both of those items are designed to be very visible to human eyes. Using a non-optical camera could result in worse visibility of those items.
           
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            Great, thanks for that......hopefully it will show up at some point as a feature.
             
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            Adding this as standard is certainly a feature I'd like to see
             
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            I will ad my vote for a dash-cam feature. Can anyone tell me more about an SDK?
             
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            SDK = Software Development Kit.

            Early on Tesla had intonated the possibility of building an App Store for the screen and infotainment system in the car.

            There have been recent rumblings of just allowing screen mirroring of apps from driver's smartphones. I'll try to see if I can find the articles that mentioned that and post here. (Concern, as always, is Security and mirroring will allow the car to only get and mimic what is on the smartphone rather than open up systems by the other method.)
             
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              A native application store would be better than mirroring phone apps, but I do understand why they are hesitant to do it. Especially given the recent hacking of other, less connected cars.
               
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              Per my previous post, here is the article on Teslarati from January 2016 on this subject.
               
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                I wonder if they'll consider implementing Android Auto and Apple CarPlay? I haven't tried either of them yet, but that would seem to be the logical way of allowing a phone to use the car's display.
                 
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                Since an SDK will restrict access to only those functions in the SDK's library, I don't buy into the safety issue.
                 
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                Theoretically the SDK or API based interface architecture for development would allow 3rd parties in for a controlled set of functions. However, when something is opened up, that is where exploits are usually done from.

                Passing screens leaves the code to execute on the phone and not the car, so that should be safest way of doing "it".
                 
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                I think if it's handled more like the apple app store than the android, it will be safe.
                I trust if Tesla does open up to indy app developers, they will treat it much as Apple does and attempt to offer up only relevant, safe, useful apps. (ok, maybe the apple and android app stores have missed the point on 'useful' along the way).
                 
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                At this point I doubt Tesla would implement either of those given they have a better UI. What they have said they will do is the ability to project the phone UI into a window on the screen.

                This way we can get the phone car whatever technology onto the main screen and not disrupt the rest of the Tesla experience.

                Tesla had mentioned a few years ago they would offer an SDK but they've since backed away from that. I think security is paramount in the car and until they could really tighten things up with sandboxing and a general accounting of the complete stack I doubt it's forthcoming any time soon.
                 
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                They could implement Android Auto and Apple CarPlay so that they appear within a window instead of taking over the entire screen. I think that directly mirroring a phone display to a window would be a worse solution.
                 
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                I don't see them doing this. There are some laws around recording video and/or audio and its an extra cost and not in the other cars. They're not hard to add either. I have dual channel dash cams in my Model S that I installed myself:
                http://teslaliving.net/2015/01/21/dual-channel-dash-cams-for-your-tesla/

                The Model X is a bit harder due to the huge windshield and that the cables won't route down that little track they have. I think the Model 3 will likely be pretty easy to do.
                 

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