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    #1 BobLoblaw, Aug 7, 2017
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    Well, after pricing out a Model 3 with the features I'm looking for (long range, premium, wheels and paint) I'm getting really tempted to pull the trigger on a CPO Model S instead. Then we can hang onto it for 4 years or so, by which time hopefully things have moved along a bit. I'm also thinking that a CPO has already taken the biggest depreciation hit, something that the Model 3 will be insulated against for a while (demand) but not indefinitely.

    Problem is, here in Canada the CPO prices seem to be way out to lunch reference the US, and the availability is quite poor. Just wondering if anyone has had good success finding a 2013-2014 CPO 85 - and has suggestions that helped in the process. I'm subscribed to EV-CPO already, and checking the site pretty much daily.

    I have to admit, I'm kinda bummed but excited at the prospect of going with an S instead of the 3. It's really more car than I have ever thought I wanted, but with price of the 3 where it is I can't justify not looking at it. In Canada a nicely equipped 3 is going to cost close to 70k, before taxes. If I can find a CPO 85 S for around that (one has sold at that price according to EV-CPO, and the private market shows some examples), I think I really need to look at them.

    Thanks for any advice, suggestions, etc.

    Edited: Looks like the prices may not be as far out as I thought. Lower priced 85's in the US look to be lacking Air Suspension....
     
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    I recently took delivery of a 2013 CPO 60 but mine was not listed in Tesla's website. It was shown to me by the CPO advisor at my local service center (Montreal) so I put a deposit 5 minutes later after deciding between a red or black car similarly equipped.

    He had a few more cars on his computer that were not yet listed on the website so a trip to your local service center might be worth it.

    Good luck!
     
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    Yep, you'll need to visit a Tesla showroom to see a more complete list of CPO vehicles. They aren't all listed online for whatever reason. Maybe to deter "ebay speculators" from buying up all the good deals?
     
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    I called the Tesla CPO rep in Vancouver, had a beauty of a car that fit my "needs" but ultimately I couldn't do it. $72,000 plus tax and no rebate for a car was just too much for my brain to handle. Especially since it didn't even have the basic active safety features that come standard on newer Tesla models.

    I'm going to wait for my 3. With RWD, Premium and Long Range I'm hoping it'll be under $60 once the BC rebate is applied. Heck I may even splurge on dual motors.
     
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    Is it true they have inventory not shown on the site? I had no idea... I've been looking at an S again lately.
     
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    They do for sure. I called the store on 4th in Vancouver and the CPO specialist called me back. He had a car that isn't on EV-CPO in his list, 2014 with 26,000 kms. If I was going that way I'd call him and tell him to call me as soon as something that matched my search came up. In the end, for me, I couldn't justify that much on a vehicle without even basic autopilot and active safety capability. If the prices on a V1 autopilot car start getting close to what I'll spend on a fairly loaded 3, I'll look again.
     
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    Hi, I'm a model 3 holder and I'm also looking for CPO model S if is in good price.
    Quick question, if I get used model S I heard I can't get Ontario EV rebate. Is that right?
    If not, I can only get $1400 off with whoever discount code and that all.

    My model 3 page just said LATE 2018. It just making me thinking a lot lately.......
     
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    No referral discount either. For a used S you get nothing. But could you even new? I thought the S was too expensive to qualify.
     
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    You are correct regarding the Ontario EV rebate. It must be a NEW vehicle to qualify.

    That said, there is still the lingering promise of removing the 13% HST from the sale of any EV sometime next year.
     
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    #10 Steven, Sep 3, 2017
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    It seems to me, that there'd be no way to remove an HST for a single province on anything. They could remove the provincial portion, but they couldn't remove the Federal portion of the tax without the Federal government extending that to the entire country. Ie. Ontario could make EV's to be 5% rated HST (5% GST + 0% PST) but they can't make it 0% HST. HST is not a provincial tax, but a "harmonization" of the Federal and provincial taxes.
     
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    I agree with your summary.

    I believe that the federal government will, as one plank in its carbon mitigation plan, remove the federal 5% goods and services (GST) tax from the sale of any new EV anywhere in Canada.

    I also believe that the province of Ontario is waiting to remove the 8% provincial sales tax portion of the 13% harmonized sales tax (HST) until such time as there is a firm yes or no from Ottawa regarding the status of the GST and EVs.
     
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    I'd love that, personally. I don't see that as being the best move forward for the country, however. Maybe a few years ago, but we're at a precipice where EV adoption is happening with or without incentivization and it could make for a very expensive mistake to enact a law now that will strip out revenue in a few years. A smarter thing, in my opinion, would be to decentivise (is that a word?) ICE cars by way of a strong carbon tax. Just make fuel cost a lot more and people will get the message.

    Other things I think they should do:
    • BC should remove the 3% "luxury" tax for EV since we have to pay a premium to get them;
    • Electricity companies should all move to a proper peak-time rate system. I don't know about other provinces, but BC Hydro has a 2-tier rate system designed to discourage electricity usage. That's kind of silly since its the cheapest and cleanest form of energy we have. As it is, getting an EV almost necessarily means I'm paying 50% more for every light I turn on, every load of laundry I do... and every charge of the car. Ie. I'm being punished for adopting a green, clean mode of transport. By going to peak time usage (like so many jurisdictions do), I would pay less to charge my car in off-peak times and my other electrical demands would be unaffected... as it should be.
    • I'd like to see municipalities get in on the act. $500 off annual property tax would be great. EVs make for a cleaner community, so it shouldn't be up to just the provincial and federal governments to help usher in something so obviously beneficial.
     
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    All good points.

    The local benefit of clean air and much reduced noise pollution should be recognized at the municipal tax level.

    I agree with the strong carbon tax versus boutique incentives. But politically, (as the reconstruction of Houston will once again show) it's easier in the short term to keep socializing the cost of carbon......

    The BC hydro pricing policy is definitely in need of improvement, from a demand response point of view.

    The spread in Ontario between the high weekday rate and the night/weekend rate has had the intended effect on our use of power. Out of an average (for us) 500 kWh per month usage, 80% of that is off peak.
     
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    Good to hear ON has a more sensible system in place (maybe I should move!). I'm curious... do you have an EV now? Because 500 kWh/mo is enviable enough as it is, but if you're doing that with home charging... I need some lessons! I just ran the numbers and we averaged 560 kWh/mo from September '16 to September '17. I'm a little worried what that means with an EV.

    We pay around 8 cents per kWh normally, but it jumps to 12-ish cents if we reach "tier 2" in any given 2-month billing period (it continues at Tier 2 rates until the next billing period start). As it is, we usually hit tier 2 only for a few days each August. But now I'm worried I'll be over all the time due to EV charging.
     
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    I don't have an EV yet, the Model 3 will be my first one, so I have no tips to offer at this time.

    I just ran our actual consumption numbers for the past 12 months, 6,335 kWhs used, for an actual monthly average of 528 kWhs a month, so I misspoke at only 500 kWh a month.

    Depending on your situation, perhaps a small solar array would help keep your future EV charging load under the Tier 2 level......much cheaper than a move to Ontario ;)

    As an aside, we do have two PV arrays on our roof but sell all of the power produced directly to the grid via our PV systems own smart meter, totally seperate from our consumption smart meter.

    In the past 12 months, we have produced 7,332 kWhs...... :)
     

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