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    After troubles for using the word ‘Autopilot’, Tesla is now running into issues for unreleased ‘self-driving’ feature

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    Tesla ran into troubles with some regulators and consumer watchdog groups this year over the use of the word ‘Autopilot’ to describe its advanced driver assist system. They expressed concerns that users would think it could mean the vehicles are autonomous. Tesla managed to successfully defend its position so far and always reiterated that the ‘Autopilot’ is named after the system used in aircraft and it doesn’t make them autonomous.

    Now it seems Tesla is already having troubles with its new “full self-driving capability” feature which is not available yet, but Tesla is currently selling it anyway. more…

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    The problem here, as I see it anyway, is that we are dealing an an unprecedented feature that the automotive and consumer world hasn't seen before...aka the ability to offer significant product upgrades over the air. This allows Tesla to sell (at a discount) the ability to upgrade your product at a future time when that feature becomes available. That has not been seen in the automotive world before that I am aware of.

    I think Tesla has been very up front in telling people exactly what they are purchasing. However, I also understand that this knowledge is incumbent on the consumer actually reading what it is they are purchasing. I know, I know...sarcasm meter alert. ;)

    To me at least, it's just another case for "big brother" government having to hold everyone's hand to protect them from their own lack of diligence. Oops...there I go showing my Libertarian leanings again!

    Sorry,

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    I think the problem is a bit different. The problem is that Tesla is trying to sell a feature that just doesn't exist yet. We don't know if they will succeed. We don't know what types of approvals would be required.

    The simple fix would be for Tesla to simply not offer the option until it is actually available.But that would result in less up-front money for Tesla, and probably less money overall, since many people will think nothing of adding a $4000 option when it's 4-5% of a total purchase, but will resist ordering that $4000 option later, when it's no longer tied to the purchase of the car.
     
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    I see it more of a personal choice. Nobody is being coerced. Nobody is being mislead. If autonomy should fall on its face and never happen then the people who have invested in being the first adopters will be out their money but it is money that they invested knowing full well it was a gamble.

    Heck, for that matter all of us that invested $1000 on a Model 3 reservation fall into the same boat. If Tesla should somehow go belly up before I get my car then I understand full well that I may be out that money. It is a gamble that those who choose to take it take with full knowledge and understanding...at least they should.

    Just my thoughts.

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    "Angles and ministers of grace, defend us" from the well intentioned.
     
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    I doubt whether it's the well intentioned that are a problem.
    No I don't, it's not them, it's the molochs of the big car companies and the regulators, who are overtaken by a fast moving and quick thinking startup. (Although we can hardly call Tesla a startup any more...)
    Yes, this is my green party conviction showing.... :cool:

    But I agree with @Dan Detweiler on the point that the fast adapters are taking a risk, might loose their money, but also might gain a fabulous piece of technology as one of the first in the world, at a manageable price. And yes @garsh, as an acquisition after-the-fact, it will never work.
    That's the free market working.
     
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    A small addition, I noticed that on the Tesla Autopilot page all Autopilot cars are Model 3's, while the other outlined cars are Model S & X's.

    Is this a sign that Tesla expects that the big breakthrough with Autopilot (and Autonomous Driving) will come from the Model 3? That if hundreds of thousands of cars have this capability, regulators and insurance companies will need to look into it and change their rules?
    I would agree...
     
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    The videos they have released have all been in Model X's, so...who knows?

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    Ha! It would have been real big news if the video's would have been of Model 3's!
     
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    Fake News of the Day (FNOTD):

    Today Boeing was forced to rename the autopilot function in their aircraft, The Thing That Steers The Plane (TTSTP), after running into trouble with regulators and watchdog groups, lest passengers panic thinking that the plane has no pilot.
     
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    I believe that Mr Musk has said that he thinks that 5 billion km of logs will be enough to train the system and convince regulators. That should not take long once Model 3 deliveries get up to speed.
     
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    I still think that when push comes to shove, insurance companies may be the biggest supporters of autonomous transportation.

    Dan
     
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    Of course, it diminishes the amount of money they need to cough up, while it won't make much difference (in the beginning at least) for the insurance premium.
     
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