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    Elon Musk on Tesla/Panasonic’s new 2170 battery cell: ‘highest energy density cell in the world, that is also the cheapest’

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    Despite likely being Tesla’s most important product developed so far, we know very little about the new 2170 battery cell to be manufactured at the Gigafactory in Nevada. Tesla and its manufacturing partner, Panasonic, are keeping a lid on the details.

    Now Elon Musk is making a bold claim, not something usual for the CEO, about the new cell. During a conference call with analysts yesterday, he said that the battery cell is the “best and cheapest in the world”. more…

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    No specs yet but I wonder how this is all going to effect Model 3 battery pack size and ultimately, range.

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    Don't want to speculate numbers and get disappointed later but I have to say, all indications are pointing to a Model 3 that is a true game changer.
     
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    #4 garsh, Nov 2, 2016
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    I get excited every time I hear a report on the new cells.
    At this point, I'm going to be disappointed if the large-battery Model 3 option isn't capable of 400+ miles.
     
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    @Dan Detweiler Expect the range to be the same if not better than a Model S on the relative battery pack size offerings. While the Model 3 is a bit smaller car, the new cells have more energy density to make up for the difference. Pack size doesn't matter if the range is the same if not better. Best not to dwell on the size so much.

    The key here is the cost reduction which is what allows for the Model 3 to have a $35K starting price.

    @garsh Model 3 will be game changer for sure. In some ways a better car than a Model S. That doesn't mean Model S will be left behind, this new cell will make it's way into the larger cars and offer even longer range. Elon said they can't do more with the 18650 cell, they've pretty much maxed out it's capabilities.

    This is why they designed the 2170: the best combination of energy density, physical size and costs optimized for their needs. The fact they're going to standardize on this cell soon shows they've done the math that works for them.
     
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    400 ????!!!
    Wow!!! Double wow!!!
     
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    Aren't we getting a little carried away here?! 400 miles? On EPA ratings? For the 55-60 kWh version?! I'd consider a 300 miles for the base version already a game change yet always eager for more!! :)

    Oops! Sorry, Garsh... see you were talking the larger battery version! So, I repeat - keeping my fingers crossed for 250-300 for the base version!!
     
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    #8 garsh, Nov 2, 2016
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    Given that the Bolt range is 238 miles, I would imagine that Musk will do everything possible to beat that range with the base Model 3.
     
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    Yep, that is why my bet is a nice round number of 250 (actually 300 feels even rounder if he is in a Santa Claus mood..!! :p)
     
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    Tesla said minimum of 215 miles. They're purposefully sandbagging the industry so they can exceed it handily when the final reveal of the car happens. Besides, the Model 3 has so much more going for it than just a 215+ mile range. They will have larger battery pack offerings, something the Bolt doesn't offer, full level 5 autonomy capability, Supercharger access, the list goes on...

    The Bolt is a decent EV for the money but those wanting more tech, range, cool features, style, performance, luxury etc... will be better served by the Model 3. There's a lot more going on here than just simple range.
     
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