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From Electrek: Next-gen Nissan Leaf prototype spotted with 165 miles (265km) of range

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    Next-gen Nissan Leaf prototype spotted with 165 miles (265km) of range

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    Nissan is about to launch its next generation all-electric Leaf and aside from a design refresh, a longer range is expected to be the biggest upgrade.

    The range was expected to be over 200 miles in order to compete with the Tesla Model 3 and Chevy Bolt EV, but the sighting of a next-gen prototype is now casting some doubts. more…

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    DOA?

    Does it look so ugly that they have to camouflage it!
     
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      So the improved LEAF has an analog speedometer instead of the current digital one? Hmmm....
       
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      I praise Nissan for being the first to produce a pure electric in large quantities that was affordable to an average consumer (at least after incentives). It's a weirdmobile in some ways, but it was a basic, useful small hatchback design.

      If they could get 200 miles/charge out of this "next gen" model, then I think it would sell decently. But in order for a 165-mile range vehicle to sell at this point, they're going to have to undercut the price of the 3 and Bolt by a good $5-$10k. Maybe that's their plan?

      Nissan seems to have completely lost their first-mover advantage, but I'm hoping that they find a way to recover and remain relevant.
       
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        I think Nissan will have to get the price of the LEAF to waaaaay less than $25K to keep their 165 mile car relevant and competitive compared to TESLA 3. That is going to be tough. At this point, Nissan seems to be wandering in the dark with a blindfold on - no direction, no vision, no goals, no objectives, no plan. This is not good news for those of us who want to see lots of competition in the EV market and world acceptance of the EV concept.
         
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        Traditional auto makers have a different business model than tesla. Tesla's vertical integration gives them advantages that others don't have.

        It will be a competition between two models. It would be interesting to see how this turns out.
         
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        Reading this article carefully, I think there's more than an inference that this 165 miles range may not be the definitive answer...

        I have a hard time imagining Nissan being so blind as to launch it with anything under 200 miles... o_O
         
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          #8 ModFather, Jul 24, 2017
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          Under 250 miles!

          So then say they have a 250 mile car and despite the redesign will still look like a weird mobile with no Supercharger system in the near future, how do they compete with a super sexy looking 3 that may have 300 mile range in some models with Supercharging to boot? Nissan will have a DOA car if it is not priced at $25K or less.

          I like the potential of the Chow Fun China car in the other thread. That car is truly interesting!
           
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            Might be too little too late. I think without big range they won't sell that well vs the Model3 and Bolt etc. Fact always is with EVs that batteries are the bottleneck and Tesla is the only one addressing the supply issue. It's one of the reasons I got a 2017 Leaf instead of waiting. The 2018 either has to sell at a loss or have a 5-10k premium. Interesting to see what happens with it.
             
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              I disagree on this point.
              The 2018 Leaf no longer looks like a weirdmobile.
              But that's damning with faint praise. It's going to look more like a Versa econobox.
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                In terms of the future, weirdmobile. Only time will tell.
                 
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                Also, from a consumer point of view not just range but also battery quality.
                May be consumer would start looking at ev powertrain and battery degratdation the same way we look at engine problems in ICE.

                Its well known that Tesla batteries degrade much less compared to Leaf.
                 
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                  Also here, you would hope that this is something the Nissan engineers gave looked to improve! ;)
                   
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                    Yes, I hope so.

                    Does anyone know if new nissan leaf batery is is liquid cooled now? I think that would be a starting point...
                     
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