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    Tesla CEO Elon Musk claims employee pushing to unionize is a paid agitator, UAW denies

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    As we reported yesterday, there’s a new effort to unionize Tesla’s workforce amid the production expansion for Model 3. In the report, we highlighted the fact that Tesla described the effort, which at first glance is simply a plea from a single Tesla employee, as a “professional union organizing effort”.

    Tesla CEO Elon Musk went a step further last night when he claimed that the employee in question has been planted by the United Auto Workers (UAW) – a claim that the union is now denying. more…

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    There is nothing to prevent the UAW from recruiting an existing Tesla employee to agitate for a union. Compensation for the agitator can be deferred to if and when he is successful.
     
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    It's the way they do it that annoys me.

    For instance...... Elon said that he was a paid agitator basically.

    The employee's response .... “I’ve been a loyal employee of Tesla for 4 1/2 years, sometimes working six days a week, 12 hours a day,” Moran, a production associate on Body Line 1 within the factory, said in a phone interview. “I’m not an employee of the UAW, but we get support from the UAW. For Musk to try to trash me down like that -- it’s too bad.”

    Support?? Like holding the door at the local eatery or being there to talk to when you are feeling down?

    Support is what it seems. The guy is getting paid. Maybe paid in a way that he isn't 'payroll' but still getting 'support'.

    Such BS.
     
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      California already seems wickedly difficult to operate in. Not a bad thing that there are so many regulations but its no wonder its so hard to operate there if the union will bully you to join.
       
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        I'm not so sure he was bullied.
         
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          It would be a real shame if the union takes hold. Don't get me wrong, I think unions have a place but, in the case of Tesla, the union is likely to destroy the host before they become profitable. Tesla needs a few more years to build momentum, if the union gains support and makes big demands for wages, this will likely kill Tesla. Maybe I'm being a bit melodramatic but, it certainly will not help Tesla in the long run.
           
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            A union supporter here. I really hope that the union and Tesla can come to an agreement. If "corporations are people my friend " as was once said then unions are people too.
             
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              Very disturbing. On Electrek it's defined as 'the danger to fail from within'.
              Tesla should react in a more sensible way with respect for working conditions and good intra-company communications.

              If a union gets too much influence or makes extreme demands, in most cases that's because the company didn't respond in a right way to just worker-grievances.
               
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                This is exactly right. Other non union shops work directly with the employees to work out an agreeable and mutually beneficial working arrangement. This avoids the need for a bargaining team (union) and although the wages might not match those of a unionized shop, sometimes the working conditions can be better.
                 
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                  I think this goes hand in hand with the article from 6 months~ ago that showed Tesla employees were among the most stressed of Silicon valley companies but also felt the most passionate about the vision of the company. I'm a bit surprised that wages are sub 20 an hour.
                   
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                  You are all right. It should be a safe place to work and the employees should be treated with the respect everyone deserves. If they can get that sorted out, if it is even a real issue, then no union would be required.

                  As a share holder, a union would be terrible.

                  I'm in currently in a union and I appreciate what they do for me.

                  I have in the past worked for a big company that was not unionized who treated their employees really well and I also appreciated that.
                   
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                    Such a shame that in the US unions are so politicised and commercialised that they often drift away from the reason why they were created.
                     
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                      And that's why these big companies leave the U.S.
                       
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                        I'm wondering if the wages were above that amount, when they accepted the job offer? If not, the safety conditions should be the only other concern.
                         
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                        This is also why the large US auto manufacturers outsource as much as they can, and try to only perform final assembly themselves. The "suppliers" don't have to be union shops. They can shop around for suppliers - they aren't stuck with those workers. It's a shame that it's come to this.
                         
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                          Big companies leave because taxes are lower elsewhere and/or wages are lower.
                          The false reaction is trying to prevent big companies leaving, by yourself lowering taxes and wages, and so lessening the income of the country and its population. Which will only lead to worldwide poverty. You can never compete with the lowest wages in third world countries.
                          Incentives for big companies to stay or move somewhere in first world countries should be in other factors, like infrastructure, innovative environment, education, renewable energy sources, freedom of trade, no corruption / good judicial system, stability of government, being close to your market, etc.; 'quality of life'.
                           
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