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    Tesla introduces $0.40/minute idle fee for Superchargers to incentivise owners to move when charging is over

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    That was quick. Last week, CEO Elon Musk warned that Tesla will “take action” against Tesla owners leaving their vehicles at Supercharger stations after charging is over. He said: “Supercharger spots are meant for charging, not parking”.

    Today the company took action and introduced a new $0.40 per minute idle fee for the entire Supercharger network. more…

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      Free to charge…not to park…
       
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        It should have been $1.
         
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          The original problem that superchargers solved was the inability to take electric cars on long trips.

          That was solved.
          But it still takes 3x as long to supercharge as it does to fill a tank of gas.

          The solution to that problem was to increase the range of vehicles (from 140-265 miles to today's 210-315 miles), and to locate the superchargers near shopping & restaurants. Now it could be argued that you would probably want to stop for a longer break anyway, and now it's convenient too.

          So that was solved.
          But now superchargers are becoming overcrowded such that you can't find an available station when you need it.

          This punitive action is a quick, short-term solution. I understand why it's needed, but I don't like it. Some people are going to be blind-sided by this change (not everyone follows Tesla news like we do). People who listened to the original PR plug in their car, then go for lunch and a bit of shopping, and now they're viewed as pariahs. It's going to pit Tesla owners against each other, fracturing the community as one half labels the other half as "abusers". I really, really hope Tesla is working on a better solution.

          With the latest self-driving hardware, it should be possible to add a feature for the car to drive away to a nearby parking spot once it has finished charging. This would allow people to plug in and enjoy their dinner without rushing back to the car to move it. This will automatically free up stations as soon as possible. And hopefully this fracturing of the Tesla community can heal once more.

          Of course, the best solution would be to make supercharging 2-3 times faster. I hope Tesla is working on that long-term solution as well.
           
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            Logical move would be a quick software update that gives an acknowledgment screen to click OK on prior to using a Supercharger the first time after the new idle fee is implemented. That would advise all who may have missed the notice otherwise.
             
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              Agreed. But how often do you just hit the "OK" button instead of actually reading those types of notifications? Legally, Tesla will be able to say that all owners were warned, but some owners aren't going to have read it, or just skimmed quickly without understanding.
               
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              @garsh , both of these options would indeed be, ideally combined, the best way to deal with the charging challenge altogether... The first one probably quicker to achieve OTA...
               
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                I think people are missing the point of this fee. It's not really due to overcrowding. It's due to people leaving their vehicles for FAR longer than normal. That's who these charges affect most.

                Also, there is no excuse for staying many minutes after your vehicle charges. The app let's you know your charge status. You know what you are there for. As the article said, you would stay parked at a gas pump 30 mins or longer after you finish pumping fuel. Just move your car, when your car is finished charging. Them go back to whatever you're doing. It's not a big task.
                 
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                  Of course there is. Tesla said that I could go get dinner while my car charges. It's a 1-mile walk to the restaurant. Why should I interrupt my dinner and walk a mile to move my car?

                  And to be fair, with the current system, I might end up just paying $3, and I wouldn't worry about being late. But I still think that my two suggestions are much better long-term solutions to the problem.
                   
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                    I would say most every Supercharger location has many meal options within 500 feet, and the likelihood of walking a mile out and back isn't something 99.9% of users are doing
                     
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                      It would be crazy to walk a mile for a sit down meal, knowing how long your charging will take. That would basically means you had full intention of being late before you left.
                       
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                        I suspect they'll do something like my office does where when there is an overage the first time is usually forgiven. It's used as the time to inform the customer they're liable for the charge. I do think it'll be a short term solution and if there are big offenders might help expand the superchargers that have the issue. Everytime I drive by the Kingston ones at max there are 2 of the 5 stalls being used.
                         
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                        People are arguing with my choice of "1 mile", but you're ignoring the issue.

                        Here's a real-world example. Let's say it's 8am during 4th-of July weekend (busy travel weekend - lots of supercharger congestion when there are several thousand Model 3s running about two years from now). You stop at the Cranberry PA supercharger, and decide to get breakfast. Sure, there are restaurants within 500 ft, but they don't open until 11am. But there is a Denny's (open 24 hours) just 0.4 miles away. It's an 8-minute walk, definitely do-able. There's also a Walmart (also open 24 hours), just a bit further away (another 4 minutes). You'd like to stop there to pick up a couple things as well. That's already 24 minutes of just walking time, totally ignoring how long it takes you to find stuff within Walmart, and how long it takes you to order & eat at Denny's. The whole point of choosing these supercharger locations was to be able to offer shopping & eating choices because supercharging takes so long.

                        I've no doubt that the majority of the "congestion" issues are caused by people who park their car at a supercharger all day while they work (or all night while they sleep). I'd just hate for Tesla to end up "punishing" people who just spent longer than planned at Denny's and Walmart. It feels like a 5-minute leeway is not nearly long enough.
                         
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                          You can't have everything. That is the answer. Leave part of your "trip" for for after you retrieve your vehicle from the charger. We have to stop being selfish. You know the situation with the superchargers. Be kind to others. No one owns the supercharger spaces beyond your charge time.
                           
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                            @AscendedSaiyan , you are right about the need to think of others and not be selfish... choices will have to be made... I think what @garsh was trying to say is that, as you wait while your car is charging, you may get into something that takes a little while longer than expected... Yet then the T≡SLA $0.40/minute is intended as a reminder for you to watch your clock... and make the optimum choice...
                            We'll find a way! :)
                             
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                              And now you're displaying exactly the behavior that I fear. A division between Tesla owners. One half calling the other half "selfish", "abusers", etc.

                              I really hope Tesla is working on a solution where the car parks itself elsewhere close by when it's done charging. It would solve this problem without dividing the community.
                               
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                                Well they did say they "envision a future where cars move themselves once fully charged"

                                That would be the charging snake they're working on. Kinda required for the automated fleet they want to do in Master Plan Part Deux.

                                Expect to see this new device sometime next year at a few Superchargers in time for the cross country self driving demo they want to do.
                                 
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                                  @garsh, you are correct, there should be NO division amongst us, though there will sometimes be differences of opinion... That's what I was trying to accomplish with my last post #15... maybe not as effectively as I was hoping... And, Iike you, I am hoping a creative technical solution will enable maximum peace... have a great day...
                                   
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                                  Master Obi-Wan Kenobi doing his scene!
                                  May the (Ludicrous) Force be with you!
                                   
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                                    Yep. So I do expect that to happen at some point.

                                    But I think it would also be ok to put a sign on your car that says "Please unplug when finished charging - car will then move". And then having the car do exactly that if somebody else wants to use the charging station.
                                     
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