Key card instead of key fob

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Since this rumor is gaining steady traction.

What happens when you valet and you don't have the key on a key ring?

Mind you this is my curiosity as I will never valet park ;)

Will the card come with a pouch that has a key ring?
 

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What happens when you pay for a meal with a credit card? Do you put a key ring on your credit card?
Ummm... point being the valet companies usually hang your keys on a peg board and affix a tag to the key ring.
 

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I think RFID is for the employees to use as a badge so Tesla can know who drove the Model 3.

This would also be easier to grant access to multiple Release Candidate Model 3 for testing purposes without having so many keys or cards issued.

I strongly believe customers will get 2 key fobs with physical buttons
 

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I think RFID is for the employees to use as a badge so Tesla can know who drove the Model 3.

This would also be easier to grant access to multiple Release Candidate Model 3 for testing purposes without having so many keys or cards issued.

I strongly believe customers will get 2 key fobs with physical buttons
I know this may be sound archaic to some, yet I would actually prefer that... particularly if my fobs are Midnight Silver!! ;)
 

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Ummm... point being the valet companies usually hang your keys on a peg board and affix a tag to the key ring.
o_O This is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, stop thinking in the past. This is the future! On 7/28/2017 the automotive world will be turned on its head! Everything will be different. You will see the oil companies reducing the price of gasoline and absorb a temporary profit loss to try to woo the consumer back to purchase an ICE car - "cheaper to purchase and drive than an EV and more convenient too!" They will play dirty. Service stations will start giving away S&H Green Stamps again (most of the youngsters on this Forum have no idea what I am talking about) to lure business. Wacko radio/television will circulate an EV conspiracy and 33% of Americans will believe it. And parking valets will have to adapt to new ways of accounting for customer key cards. What I am going to do is simply press "summon" and my car will find me!
 
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Since this rumor is gaining steady traction.

What happens when you valet and you don't have the key on a key ring?

Mind you this is my curiosity as I will never valet park ;)

Will the card come with a pouch that has a key ring?
Why valet, the car can look for a spot on its own :)
 

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Key cards are bad UX on so many levels.
Sincerely hope that’s not the actual, production car access control method.

Additionally, it is my understanding that on MS/MX the phone app only allows you access if the keyfob is in/near the car, for (obvious) security reasons. How would that work with a card? The car can’t detect the presence of a card near or in it. You can only swipe/wave it near a reader.

On top of that, there would have to be at least 3 readers installed into the car (front left door, trunk, dashboard) for this to work in any sensible way, as opposed to having just one, central reader with a powered (active) fob. Ludicrous (not speed).
 

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Additionally, it is my understanding that on MS/MX the phone app only allows you access if the keyfob is in/near the car, for (obvious) security reasons.
I don't think this is accurate. Pretty sure you don't need the keys at all.
 

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I don't think this is accurate. Pretty sure you don't need the keys at all.
You are correct Bjorn has clips showing him allowing folks to even drive his old S with no key and him doing the remote start from his phone.
 

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You are correct Bjorn has clips showing him allowing folks to even drive his old S with no key and him doing the remote start from his phone.
Either i'm crazy, or this changed at some point, then.
Because i remember someone demonstrating phone app doesn't allow opening/closing/starting unless the key is present (near the car / in the car). In essence, a 2-factor authentication for important functions.

Might be my failing memory :D

(From a security standpoint, though, that would make more sense than complete access to the car without the fob present.)
 

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Either i'm crazy, or this changed at some point, then.
Because i remember someone demonstrating phone app doesn't allow opening/closing/starting unless the key is present (near the car / in the car). In essence, a 2-factor authentication for important functions.

Might be my failing memory :D

(From a security standpoint, though, that would make more sense than complete access to the car without the fob present.)
If anything, this is better security...

Keys can be stolen, copied, etc.

Of course the app/database can be hacked and in addition Tesla has an open API and there are third party apps; but still it feels safer (somehow).
 

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It's as safe, security wise, as your password for this forum.

As long as it does not rely on physical proximity, it can be easily intercepted, spoofed, etc.
In fact, even a fob is not safe from spoofing/relaying attacks, but at least the attacker needs to be in close proximity to you and your car (it's a two-person deal).
 

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It's as safe, security wise, as your password for this forum.

As long as it does not rely on physical proximity, it can be easily intercepted, spoofed, etc.
In fact, even a fob is not safe from spoofing/relaying attacks, but at least the attacker needs to be in close proximity to you and your car (it's a two-person deal).
This is one of those tricky areas where security and ease of use reach a crossroads.

You would think something as sensitive as accessing your car you would want two-factor authentication, but the ease of use side hates two-factor authentication.

With that API sitting out there (and I'm not sure about the particulars in the security model as I have not reviewed the documentation) -- there is a risk.

Honestly, a selling point against full self-driving is a concern over what would happen should Tesla be hacked and someone suddenly has control of your car remotely. It would be bad enough today that they could put my windows down remotely and cause some damage, but hacking into a FSD car is scary.
 

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o_O This is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius, stop thinking in the past. This is the future! On 7/28/2017 the automotive world will be turned on its head! Everything will be different. You will see the oil companies reducing the price of gasoline and absorb a temporary profit loss to try to woo the consumer back to purchase an ICE car - "cheaper to purchase and drive than an EV and more convenient too!" They will play dirty. Service stations will start giving away S&H Green Stamps again (most of the youngsters on this Forum have no idea what I am talking about) to lure business. Wacko radio/television will circulate an EV conspiracy and 33% of Americans will believe it. And parking valets will have to adapt to new ways of accounting for customer key cards. What I am going to do is simply press "summon" and my car will find me!
Hey, maybe I can get a new set of dinnerware and daisy glasses.
 

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Key cards are bad UX on so many levels.
Sincerely hope that’s not the actual, production car access control method.

Additionally, it is my understanding that on MS/MX the phone app only allows you access if the keyfob is in/near the car, for (obvious) security reasons. How would that work with a card? The car can’t detect the presence of a card near or in it. You can only swipe/wave it near a reader.

On top of that, there would have to be at least 3 readers installed into the car (front left door, trunk, dashboard) for this to work in any sensible way, as opposed to having just one, central reader with a powered (active) fob. Ludicrous (not speed).
Wish we still had that red X key. Go back to that galaxy far far away. Tesla does things their own way.
 

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You will see the oil companies reducing the price of gasoline and absorb a temporary profit loss to try to woo the consumer back to purchase an ICE car
I have believed this for some time and bet this will happen.