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  1. Michael Russo

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    In this crazy world where anonymous sources are sometimes fully leveraged only to be criticised a few months later :)D), the French Tesla Magazine claims to have obtained a price list for 4(!) versions of Model ≡, with options and all... !

    The article is in French but the price list (with US$ prices) is self-explanatory...
    Not sure what to think about all this, except that price for the options seems quite reasonable... too good to be true? ;)

    http://www.tesla-mag.com/prix-model-3/
     
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      Those would be prices I could live with.

      Using the Chrome browser, Google kindly offered to translate the page. I was able to get the gist of the article but machine translation is still something that needs a little work. A cautionary example for relying too much on automation.

      Here is an example:
      "Si certain Canard fait vaciller par ses révélations exclusives la prochaine élection présidentielle française sans risquer l’euthanasie pour cause de fièvre, Tesla Mag se contente d’informer ses lecteurs MAIS comme tout Canard attaché ou galopant à sa guise nous ne révélerons pas les précieuses sources que notre rédaction protégera de toute enquête d’un quelconque parquet inquisiteur.[FONT=Dosis, sans-serif]"[/FONT]

      Translates to this:
      "If certain Duck wavers by its exclusive revelations the next French presidential election without risking the euthanasia because of fever, Tesla Mag is content to inform its readers BUT like any Duck tied or galloping at will we will not reveal the precious sources Which our editorial office will protect from any inquiry by any inquisitorial office."

       
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        You are probably right on that, @TrevP... yet...
        Exactly how I felt about options in this case! :)

        This except was tricky... by the way, for those who don't know, the reference to the 'Duck' (i.e. 'Canard') refers to the satirical French weekly newspaper 'Le Canard Enchaîné' ('the Chained Duck' :D) which was the origin of revelations on the (previously) leading candidate of the right for the May French presidential elections (related to his employing - at very decent - salaries his wife @ kids as assistants while a Representative in the French National Assembly) which is likely to lead to his demise... Oh, but wait... this is politics... so say no more... :)[/QUOTE]
         
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          Hmmm... it's certainly nowhere near a clone of the Green Car Reports table, but I agree without any hint of origin or authenticity it has no more credibility.
          After a quick study, here are a few things about it that strike me as anywhere from odd to outright disqualifying:

          - The curb weights - especially base models - seem insanely optimistic when we consider the car is 90% the size of a Model S and will be using at least some structural steel.

          - Lack of a 70 kWh choice, which is at least one of the pack sizes rumored to be running around in testing.

          - Every option or package listed is from the current Model S list, with just the bigger wheel size being changed to 20" as per the Alpha. Although some of those options will obviously cross over, I expect the Model 3's market position and much higher volume will have a significantly different looking set of configuration choices. I mean if this were a real new leaked list - even in early proto form - then there should be at least ONE thing we'd all spot as new in there.
           
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            I haven't spent much time going over the various guesstimation lists of individual options and whatnot. I typically skim, or skip them. The only option I would be rather wary of getting an ulcer over is the Biohazard Filtration system. I prefer to drive with the windows up most of the time, but with a vent of air coming into the cabin. Problem is, when you are driving behind a stinker mobile with rich burning fuel, it makes for an unpleasant experience. I would love to keep the windows up in such a situation, but still experience 'fresh' air. If that feature is bundled with 'premium' features I wouldn't want, such as accent lighting and leather inserts all over the place, I'd be rather peeved at having to pay for extra things I didn't want, just to get what I did... I'd not be happy about it. That said, I am a proponent of as many items as possible being bundled so as to make assembly of the cars quicker. I just don't believe a cabin filter should be grouped with window dressing accessories.
             
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              I can't say that anything stands out as being "obviously" wrong, but there are a few little things that lead me to believe that it was just made up by somebody.
              • 50kWh just seems a little small for a 222 mile range in a vehicle that weighs more than a Bolt.
              • I believe that an 85kWh battery will fit.
              • "Tow Bar"? That's a strange name for what should be called a "towing package".
              • A maxed-out, non-performance version is $70k. That seems a bit high. A maxed-out S 100D is $119.
              So, it doesn't seem outrageous to me, but it really does feel like somebody's guess rather than a price leak.
               
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                FYI... I've learned during my time on Tesla forums that in Europe what they call a 'tow bar' equates to what we in the U.S. call a 'tow hitch'.
                 
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                  On Tesla's website, it's called a "towing package", which the description says includes a tow bar and hitch. That's why it sounds to me like a non-official name.
                   
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                    Indeed. Non-official, but colloquial, to Europe. It's like when people scour the Tesla website for an 'extended warranty' and complain there isn't one... That's because Tesla instead has an 'Extended Service Agreement', due to some States not allowing a manufacturer to sell 'insurance' and thus they cannot 'guarantee' or 'warrant' their own products for an additional fee. Some may not realize their search for a 'tow bar' option is to be satisfied by a 'tow hitch' as part of a 'tow package'. This is further complicated by the fact that in the U.S., the term 'tow bar' is more readily applied to the system used to pull a small vehicle behind a larger one in a wheels down manner.

                    Ah, English! The ability to be separated by a common language is often exacerbated through communication with a keyboard over the internet! The JOY!
                     
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                      You guys have got it all jibbywonker. There are basically 5 parts. 1. a receiver, this is a square channel into which attaches the tow bar. 2. a tow bar, a square bar that slides into the receiver and secures with a pin. 3. a tow ball that is bolted to the tow bar and receives the tow hitch from the trailer. 4. a safety chain attachment. 5. a lighting connector for turn signals and brake lights. Note that the tow hitch is on the trailer.
                       
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                          If that's the pricing I'm good...I'll look at ordering an awd 80d with dual motors autopilot and maybe the 20 inch rims ...

                          The ludicrious mode is too expensive ..as it bases at 57 grand and then add options...

                          Zero to sixty in four flat is just fine with me...

                          I think I can get the awd 80d with the few options I want for around 55 grand...

                          I'll be happy and I hope they make a nice youthful bright red paint as a non metallic...

                          I hate paying for paint...just give us bright red ...

                          I'm enjoying the forums guys...thanks for all the good insights...it'll make the wait till delivery even more fun.
                           
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                            I can live with the prices, but could there be a discount if one orders a completely loaded model 3 (all options)?

                            I'm told by a Tesla dealer that the $7500 federal tax credit will be disappearing around late summer (2017) when Tesla delivers it's 200,000th car, do you believe that is true?

                            Also, that dealer told me the entire production run for model 3 scheduled for 2018 is booked up with orders from current Tesla owners, so it that is true I will not be getting a car until some time in 2019....., is there any truth in this?

                            Maybe it makes sense to do what the dealer suggested and buy one of the model S they have been using as demo cards, he said they are discounting them a fair amount ($7800 in the case of one car we were looking at), and those model S's retain free supercharging and the $7500 tax credit (assuming I buy it this summer). They also agreed to shut off autopilot in the configuration and deduct it from the price to get the price down for me

                            So now I"m confused, wait for the model 3 until who knows when......, or get the Model S (which will not get me the performance model and 338 mile range I was hoping for in the model 3.

                            Your thoughts please?
                             
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                            I think they are just trying to sell you that car. Tesla doesn't have dealers. And they don't have inside info. Trust me,if it was fact what they said we would all know it.
                             
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                              First a few things to note:

                              I'm told by 2 sources that Tesla employee reservations for Model 3 are around 4000 so they should get through that pretty quickly in July and August.

                              Apparently only about 7% of current Tesla owners have put down reservations.

                              Lastly we don't know the full extent of what their production schedule will look like and how they will go about handling the order of the builds. Yes, they said employees/founders get cars first then current owners.

                              What we don't know given the reservation order tally is how current owners will get cars in different geographical areas. California will surely the first to get them as they're closer to home base. After that, how fast they move east and the delievery rate is completely unknown.

                              The whole production for 2018 is indeed "sold out" based on the reservation count but how many actually follow through is always a variant.
                               
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                                there is no need to duplicate your post in multiple places.
                                 
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                                  So, I have seen multiple speculations on pricing. Estimates of a maxed out, every box checked, Ludicrous Model 3 range in price from 60K US to 90K+ us. What do you guys think? Of course it is all speculation, but I would think that if this car ended up being in the 60-75K range there would be a lot of people that might stretch their budget to get all the bells and whistles (me included).

                                  Like everyone else, I am anxiously awaiting pricing info.

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                                    Over the last 11 ¾ months, I've changed my mind on what they my do at least a dozen times, haha. But currently leaning towards the idea that there will be just a few set option packages to choose from, rather than the wider individual option choices Tesla currently has. So maybe something like color, interior color and package A or B. More like you see from some other car makers. I think if they do that, pricing may be in your $60-75k range. If parted all out like they currently do it, and all those options are there individually, I think it will max out higher.
                                     
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                                      Very good point.

                                      I think they would have a lot more people chose the highest options if they were somehow able to keep it under $75K. Another way of looking at it is what other car for $75K would have the performance, range, tech, full autonomy, etc. of a maxed out Model 3? I couldn't think of any off the top of my head. If it's over $80K, then they just made my decision a lot easier, if a bit disappointing. ;)

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