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    I am all in on Model 3, but one thing has confused me from the jump: autopilot. From what I understand ALL Model 3's will have the autopilot and full automation hardware, but you have to pay to unlock the features. So my questions are 1. is that the case or is there special hardware that the extra $5,000 goes to cover? and 2. if all are outfitted with it, what is the 'penalty' for paying for this down the road? For someone who lives in Texas, whose legislature is likely to be the last to allow full automation, I'm wondering if I'd ever even see the benefit for this Model 3 I buy. If anyone has any info or experience in adding these features after the fact, it would be appreciated.
     
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      Hello Doug,

      All the hardware is included in the base case whether you buy the EAP or FSD or not.

      EAP is what Tesla replaced their old Autopilot 1 with (new hardware, now from nVidia, before that it was from MobileEye) and is now nearly on par with AP1.
      FSD does nothing at the moment. (doesn't really do anything yet)

      The penalty if you buy everything right now is that you give Tesla free money without interest for a product which doesn't exist yet (FSD) and if you don't buy it right now you have to pay ~1000$ extra if you want to buy it when it becomes available.
       
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        #3 SoFlaModel3, Aug 1, 2017
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        With Model S and X activating Enhanced Auto Pilot (EAP) and Full Self Drive (FSD) after delivery of the vehicle carries a $1,000 up charge on each.

        So instead of $5,000 and $3,000 respectively it becomes $6,000 and $4,000.

        Otherwise no penalties as the Model 3 comes standard with the hardware and it's an over the air (OTA) update to activate the features.

        Also note you must get EAP to get FSD, but EAP can be standalone.
         
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          Thank you so much, this is just the info I needed. Is the upgrade finance-able if you do it after the fact or a one time charge? The EAP I'm thinking I'll do, the FSD I'll just take the hit if I ever even see the day in my first Model 3 that I can utilize it.
           
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            You're welcome and I would imagine it's not something that can be financed after the fact unless you independently procured a loan for it. I'm fuzzy there, but feel like that's the right answer.
             
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              That would be my expectation too, that you would just have to pay that in full at the time. I may honestly prefer that when it comes to it. All questions I'm sure will become more clear. This is one of the few times I'm happy to get something new 6 months after the launch. Some of these questions/concerns will surely be ironed out by then.
               
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                It's a simple call for me ... I maxed out my budget so I'm dropping EAP because I can add it later if I feel like it's worth it.
                 
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                  That's the math I'm doing now too. Considering its a phone call and a quick software update, its kind of a no brainer for me to just do it later. You can't put in leather seats and a glass roof down the road, and I'll utilize/enjoy those much more in my 2 mile commute to work than EAP.
                   
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                    The real key is financing. If you purchase options like AP with the car, they are rolled into your financing and you can pay them slowly over the course of your loan. If you add them later you get a big charge to your credit card.
                     
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                      I figured that would be the case, but that doesn't really shy me away from waiting. I see it as not paying for something that I'm beta testing or will never get to utilize on THIS car. I have no doubt in the future I will have both in a Tesla. Hopefully by that point I've moved on to the Model X :grimacing:. I really do appreciate that EM and Tesla had the foresight to not screw owners out of resale by excluding the hardware. Giving the option to do so without impacting the hardware in the car is really a service to customers. I'm not sure I'd be buying this generation of Model 3 if it were a hardware issue down the road.
                       
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                      The term beta testing gets thrown around a lot.

                      I think EAP is evolving yes, but pretty solid. It's fully functional.

                      FSD is paying for something that doesn't exist.

                      It really comes down to your budget and if you're maxed out, I fall back on my recommendation go with things that can't be added later (hence why I'll pass on EAP for now). Of course the flip side is no ability to finance $5,000 over say 5 years, now it's $6,000 out of pocket.

                      While that hurts, I'm still passing on EAP because I can't pass on the Premium Package.
                       
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                        Be careful how you describe Enhanced AutoPilot. Some people still think it's more than just fancy cruise control. Furthermore, Tesla still describes it as being in "beta". If you want to help test it out, knowing that you MUST continue to pay attention to everything around you, then have at it.
                         
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                          Fair enough.

                          Yes it's definitely fancy cruise control and to that end not something I can or would stretch for at $5,000.

                          The little experience I have with it though I was impressed. Driving at night in the rain on a curving highway and it was smooth.

                          That said, it's a nice to have and not a must have for me. Further, I enjoy driving.
                           
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                          Agreed. Just a day or 2 ago I was at full highway speed (maybe a little more) and hit a dip in the road. AP was autocorrecting wildly and if I didn't take over, may have ended ugly. I can only guess what would happen with a tire blow out... As I said in my other post, I don't yet trust EAP to drive my car without constant supervision.
                           
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                            I live in Texas too, and just FYI, Texas is actually one of the few states that now has self-driving legislation on the books. As of June, Texas allows for self-driving cars as long as "cars...obey existing traffic laws and carry insurance. They also have to record video, and the manufacturer has to accept liability as long as the self-driving tech remains unmodified."

                            I would link to the engadget article that covers this, but this is my first post and the forum won't let me. Just google "texas self-driving cars."
                             
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                              So without spending the $5000 for EAP, what sort of cruise control capability will the car have?
                               
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                              Honestly, I'd be happy with a functional lane keep assist. My Volt has a marginal LKA which will ping pong the car down the road a ways, correcting more and more each bounce. This isn't good enough. I just want to be able to drive down our rural 2-lane highways here in Arizona, with almost no traffic, and be able to use two hands to eat my Subway sandwich for 15 seconds at a time without having to get Italian dressing on my steering wheel babysitting the car. :D
                               
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                                That is the question.

                                I tweeted to Elon asking but he didn't respond :)
                                 
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                                If we're guessing, I would guess standard ACC with no LKA. I can't imagine any modern car being sold without at least basic cruise control. ACC is quickly becoming a standard, so I hope the basic Model 3 will at least include this.
                                 
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