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Discussion in 'Charging and Infrastructure' started by drtt, Oct 6, 2016.

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    Would model 3 comes with a double charger to get the advantage of a the 100A wall charger or it would be an option?

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    Tesla originally offered dual chargers so you could do 40A or 80A charging. You needed the 80A to make use of the HPWC. I got the dual chargers and have used them on various trips (most destination chargers are HPWC connectors although most of them are not 80A). Tesla moved away from dual chargers to small and large chargers. So now they have a 48A or 72A charger option. So they technically charge slower at max speed than my "classic" S does.

    It remains to be seen if they can use the same chargers in the Model 3. If they can, then expect to see the same options. The price difference on the S for 48A vs 72A is $1,500.

    When thinking about whether or not I needed dual chargers and the HPWC (which has since dropped in price significantly), I wrote a blog post on it:
    http://teslaliving.net/2014/04/11/charger-confusion/

    I'm still not sure about the HPWC as it would limit EVs to Tesla only. But on the plus side they made the HPWC more intelligent so it can handle multiple chars and not overload the circuit so that's really helpful.
     
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      Thank you for your great insight and shared your post. Since the HPWC is about $500 now and maybe even cheaper by the time Model 3 is coming off the production line, I think it is well wroth to consider having both the larger charger and have a HPWC at home if electrical work is somewhat reasonable.

      I got a quote to upgrade my electrical in my garage for a dedicated 100A line hardwired to a HPWC for $1200. I think it would be a great combo considering the price.

      Thanks again.
       
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        Actually, no it really isn't just a pay as you go system. The first 400 kWh per year are free. For many, if not most, that is all they will require in a year. I think this represents the best compromise between the "free for life" supercharging and the true pay for every kWh at the supercharger views.

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          400kWh is like 10 "tank" fill ups. A drive to FL and back is 24. A drive from MA to NJ and back is 2-3. I'd easily blow through 400 kWh per year.

          Not complaining about the "free" included kWh, but the part that I'm wondering about is the pricing on the additional kWh. Less than the cost of gas isn't much guidance. They could charge $50/40kWh and claim it's on par with an equivalent sedan and yet kill some of the reason for going electric. I'm hoping they offer very competitive on the pricing for those extra kWh's.

          Meanwhile I'm enjoying (but not abusing) my unlimited plan.
           
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            With the United States likely slide into climate change denial madness (at least on the upper management side) I'm considering whether I need to at least get a home charger installed before the tax laws change. Anyone familiar with the US federal rebate on home chargers? I'm hoping for the best expecting the worst.
            Do I have to own a BEV to get the credit?
             
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            From what I've read, you do not need to own an electric vehicle. The charging installation just needs to be operational.
             
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            and needs to be installed by the end of this year
             
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              I guess I better get on it then.
               
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              I don't really want to get political, but I wanted to give you some hope. Two articles:
              Scott Adams: Climate Change and Trump - back in May, the Dilbert creator explains Trump's strategy.
              New York Times: Trump, in Interview, Moderates Views but Defies Conventions - and it's starting to look like Scott Adams has it nailed.
               
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                A very intriguing perspective... which is giving the President-elect a lot of credit... yet if Scott Adams turns out to be right, why not? I am all for positive... :) Just would have preferred he would then not have appointed Myron Ebell to the EPA transition role... but well see right?
                So positive, yes, yet still cautiously attentive... :)
                 
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                Definitely don't need an EV. I took the credit last year and you basically only needed to document your expenses (in my case, the receipt(s) for the EVSE hardware). You could include installation expenses as well, but that didn't apply in my case since my EVSE was portable and did not need to be installed. There is no requirement that you had to prove that it was installed and operational though.

                Now I will point this fact out, with the caveat that I am certainly not a tax professional and don't even know for certain what the issue here is or even if it still applies...but...

                Back in 2011 when I got my LEAF (and took the $7500 US EV tax credit), there was a lot of talk about people trying to take the EV tax credit AND the EVSE tax credit, with the result being that you couldn't take both in the same year. I never ran into this situation because back then my EVSE was provided for free in a pilot program. But apparently others did have this difficulty. The solution for many was to postpone getting their EVSE until the following year. Now again, I don't know exactly what the issue was (although I vaguely recollect it had something to do with Alternative Minimum Tax--you can search back on the mynissanleaf forum where it was endlessly discussed!), or even if it still applies, but you can easily avoid any possible issues by ensuring you buy your charging station in a different year than your EV.
                 
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                  @NOGA$4ME - likely the issue you mentioned was you need to have enough tax liability to claim the credit(s). So if one didn't have enough tax liability, they could potentially take part of the $7500 credit, but then could not get the infrastructure credit. Setting up the EVSE in a different tax year than the EV purchase could get those without a ton of liability to get the max amount they qualify for.
                   
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                    Well it's not quite that simple. People that had the issue had plenty of tax liability. I think it has something to do with the fact that by taking the EV tax credit of $7500, it pushed you into the Alternate Minimum Tax (AMT) category, and that limited the amount you could take for the EVSE credit. So this usually impacted people with large incomes & large tax liabilities.
                     
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                      Hey you Americans are lucky to get the chance of BEV credit or incentives... in some parts of Europe, especially Finland, theres almost nothing!!
                       
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                        I heard right now in the radio that the Portuguese government will no longer allow free charging of EVs in the network installed in Portugal. They will be paid starting from January.

                        But at the same time say that the revenues will be used to increase the network charging stations.

                        http://www.mobie.pt/en/homepage
                         
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                        Here in italy we are (probably) going to have VAT at 10% instead of 22% buying an EV in 2017 and on.
                        how is the fast charging infrastructure in Finland?
                        we have very few CHaDeMo but going to install a lot of CCS 50kw station on major highways routes.
                         
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                        @TrevP do you think will be impossible at least for the European market to have a CCS port installed standard on the new Model 3? Models S and X are already using a Mennekes Type2 port and the CCS is basically a Mennekes type2 port plus two more connectors at the bottom fore the DC cables. Could be fine instead of carry on a CCS Adapter (i guess will be similar to the actual CHadeMO adapter)
                        this is from February 2016
                        CharIN e. V. is happy to announce that Tesla Motors Inc. has been granted core membership in the association on 24th of February 2016
                        This is important because Tesla Motors has picked a side in the fast charging debate, and has sided with the Combo Charging System forces
                         
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                        Ciao, @Ranma64 ! Que fortuna! What luck! (For our non Italian M3OC friends...). Hoping this reduced VAT rate for EV cars in Italy goes through!!
                        I see in the attached map from the Teslarati app that Italy already has a decent coverage (except South of Napoli...) of T≡SLA Destination (blue) and Superchargers (black)...
                        Cordiali saluti,
                        Michele
                         

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