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Discussion in 'Reserving, Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by Michael Russo, Sep 1, 2017.
Maybe not the appropriate 3 Series to take yet closest in MSRP price... courtesy of Evannex:
Its a nice spec comparison, except that it leaves out one of the most important aspect of car ownership.
Maintenance and service costs and frequency for the two vehicles. Also needs expected consumable costs (i.e., gas, electricity) based on some standard miles driven per year - 12,000mi/yr.
The total ownership costs includes insurance costs too but without any real track record for TM3 so there is no insurance rate - cannot compare so leave out for now.
In true comparison, need acquisition cost + operations cost over some period, say 4 years or 50,000 mi for under warrantee, and 8 years or 100,000mi for beyond warrantee costs total.
The vehicle spec comparison is what most do and is necessary but its insufficient.
The BMW 320ix lease rate here in the tri state area is 600 dollar bank fee 369 a month for 36 months...
The subsidized lease rate in the BMW 320ix makes it a slam dunk cheaper to own for three years than the tesla.
The BMW has heated seats. Awd , a sunroof and no money down...just the bank fee tax and tags.
BMW gives this base awd heated seat away because the resale 3 years later is or has been so good.
Very few options residualize and depreciate 100 percent.
Awd and heated seats pretty much hold residual value with the vehicle as a whole.
Supposedly model 3 depreciation willfollow model S depreciation at 28 percent over 50k.
I find that hard to believe but as a model 3 reservation holder that would be nice.
I chose the model 3 for its design, its good looks and quiet performance more so than on cost of ownership other than price
Not buying gas etc is a bonus.
I can't imagine anyone buying a BMW 3-Series once the Model 3 is readily available.
Maintenance on a Tesla is very expensive which is counter to everyone's expensive that maintenance is cheaper than a comparable ICE car.
I am currently a BMW owner and have my deposit done for the Model 3. Should I buy a Model 3 (estimated delivery Nov 2017 to Jan 2018) or get the new BMW M240i (the $400 leasing deal is very tempting)? I think I have done enough research on the specs and comparison and just want to hear your thoughts.
No offense to your current car, but once the Model 3 is “available” I don’t see any reason for someone to buy a 3 series BMW.
Which might be interesting if I only expected to need a car for three more years.
Thank you kindly.
I don't think this is accurate. If you buy one of Tesla's service plans, perhaps, but it's not necessary. All you need to do on a Tesla is add iper fluid, rotate tires, and change wiper blades. If you can't do that yourself or go to Goodyear and get it done cheap, or you can pay Tesla $800 to do it. Tesla runs the diagnostic every time you go in for anything, so you don't need to pay for that either. If you break something, it is expensive, but maintenance doesn't have to be.
I think you can assume that it would be approximately the same cost for a comparable ICE car. My 2013 Model S insurance was a little less than my 2013 Avalon insurance, and the MS is obviously a much more expensive car. My insurance agent said that my M3 insurance would be less than my MS rate because it will be safer (2017 vs 2013 safety tech) and costs less.
Well this is he big question after all. What do you really need to do and what happens if you don’t do what’s in the “maintenance plan”?
There may be warranty impacts if you have an issue down the road and cannot provide adequate service records in the vehicle.
All I’m saying is Tesla’s service is very expensive.
What is included is on Teslas website, it's no secret. The service is recommended, but not required for the warranty. It literally is everything I've said, plus a diagnostic that they run everytime you go anyway, for free.
Sorry, it looks like there are a couple fluid changes you might want Tesla to do at certain intervals, but the rest you can do at Goodyear. https://www.tesla.com/support/maintenance-plans
I’m a BMW owner myself (335is) and it’s been difficult to resell my car now that the model 3 is close to getting here. My estimated date is January so I still have some time. Don’t waste your time on BMW. They will be dead unless they can come out with a competitor M3.
If the inspection is “free” as you alluded to earlier then yes I will concede costs will be very low here and yes you could bring your car anywhere for rotation and alignment. Wiper blades are ridiculously easy DIY.
The fluids I wouldn’t do myself but I suspect it’s not crazy expensive.
I’m with you.
Or even a 2-Series M version, SFM3...!
You would definitely like this post http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/...-bring-bmw-3-series-sales-to-zero-expert-says
Anyway, I just want to clarify that M240i is not a regular 2/3 series. It has critical parts from M2 and is tuned by the BMW M division. I don't think we should compare Model 3 LR + Premium with the regular 3 series because of the price range.
IMHO the base Model 3 compares to the BMW 320i and does so quite favorably.
The Model 3 Long Range with Premium Upgradess compares to the BMW 340i and again quite favorably.
The Model 3 Performance will compare to M tuned cars.
I dont think there are any “critical” shared parts (beyond those shared by all 2 Series) as the M235i (now M240i) came out well before the M2. It’s tuned by M but I think that’s it.
I was very interested in the 2 series until Tesla came along and made all BMWs uninteresting to me, though I did have fun driving (if not looking at) an i3 for 2 years.
Interesting. I was a bit worried about that, and sold my A3 early, replacing it with an old Mazda, which is cheap enough that I don't care if I ever sell it or not down the road.
You are right that BWM first introduced M235i and then M2, but both cars share the same engine (M2 has better pistons and crankshaft though) and a lot of other parts. M2 also borrowed several parts such as DCT, M suspension from M4 to make it a true M car.
In my opinion, M240i has a good value for the money you pay but Model 3 might be even better.