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    #1 M3CrushedICE, May 20, 2016
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    I would like to ask if anyone has a Tesla (or other EV) without a garage. I'm "in the queue" for a Model 3 and I do NOT have a garage, (nor is it likely I'll ever have a garage). I live in Ottawa where there's typically at least 6 days of freezing rain annually, not to mention we're in the top 5 coldest capitals in the world (woo!)

    - How might freezing rain impact the useability of the flush-mounted door handles?
    - What happens (if anything) when the charger cord is frozen onto the charging port?

    I'm sure there are other questions related to weather impact due to lack of garage...

    Am I crazy to put an EV just in a driveway without having a garage?
     
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    Lots of people in Norway have Tesla's without garages and they seem to cope well. I too was wondering about the flush door handles and asked Elon for clarification if they were going to heat them to help with the occasional ice buildup but haven't heard from him.

    I haven't heard of any issues with ice on the charge port and not being able to pull it out.

    We have a single car garage and my wife keeps hers in there and my car sits in the driveway all the time. I plan on keeping our Model 3 outside and I'm not too worried about it.
     
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    Have you considered a polyethylene shelter? They run about $400.

    Thank you kindly.
     
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    Are those allowed in Ottawa? They're all the rage in Quebec but very rarely see them in Ontario. I had heard they were not per permitted in certain municipalities.
     
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    I haven't considered a polyethylene shelter because there are local by-laws in place. I was thinking that the EVSE (which also needs to be on the outside wall) could be placed under a 3-sided sloped roof shelter of some sort. Another wild thought: Perhaps a cone like thing on the charge nozzle that would protect the port opening on the car itself? It could hold the port door within the cone to prevent the hinges from being coated in ice.

    As I write this, I think I sound obsessive about this freezing rain thing when there are probably lots of other things I should concern myself about. Thanks for the responses so far.
     
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    We are in the mountains near St Sauveur , 1 hour north of Montreal.
    We've been through 4 winters with our I Miev
    It stay outside almost always.
    Not much different then a gas car.
    We always preheat the car while its plugged in - set to defrost with the seat heaters on for 1/2 hour before we leave. It's nice getting into a warm car, & most all the ice melts off the windows.
    Some EV drivers have used a hair blow dryer to free up a frozen charge door for the plug pistol, other have made a plastic flap cover shielding the charge pistol from the elements while charging.
    We just never bothered with it , we just bang off the ice and it usually frees up.
     
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      Good to know that there's no adverse effects of ice on a CHAdeMO connector. The Tesla charge connector seems to be much smaller in size, but perhaps just as strong with respect to structural strength, like a CHAdeMO.

      Does anyone have any info/experience with air gap induction charging like pluglesspower dot com? Their site shows it being used in a garage (sigh), and perhaps it won't hold up exposed to weather... (quite expensive too I see).
       
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      Actually I was referring to the J1772 - 220v EVSE home connector, The Chademo 440v Dc is much larger
       
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      Apologies for the earlier question about pluglesspower. I just found the other thread where PluglessSteve has answered my question. I should have searched more thoroughly.
       
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      My S is in a garage but not when at work. We got plenty of snow, ice, freezing rain and I never had a problem with the auto pop-out handles.

      The only time I did have an issue was when I (stupidly) went through an automatic car wash in very cold weather (20F?) and then a couple of them froze closed for a while. I banged on them with my palm and they loosened up. Same with the charge port. Mine isn't an auto-open kind though.

      Side note: Wonder if the 3 will get the auto-open charge port? Its not really needed but nice to have.
       
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      Unfortunately I would need to go through a car wash fairly regularly in winter (even on cold days) as our roads in Ottawa are pretty salted. So an excellent point to watch out for.
       
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      I kept the car washing in the winter to a bare minimum. Im not worried about rust and I didnt want more recycled water being blasted at my car. Just when it was looking particularly bad. The Dolphin Grey does well in not showing dirt, black is a terrible color for that if you get it.

      When its warm enough out I always hand wash.

      It also helps that I have Opticoat Pro on my car.
       
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      Ah I have been wondering about this, too. We have a single car garage here at our place in North Bay, but both cars are kept outside on the driveway.
       
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      I have found a youtube channel (this one) from a guy who lives in Calgary (or thereabouts) with a Model S. He doesn't seem to have too much trouble with winter.
       
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      Chances are you will install a 240v EVSE outside close to your parking spot. The biggest concern with ice is to prevent the plug from getting ice buildup when its not in use. Some EVSE manufacturers offer a socket to attach the plug to while not in use. Aerovironment is one such brand, Clipper Creek offer a wall mountable stowing socket with their EVSE's
       
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        The plug (and cord et al.) should really be protected from weather. Flip a trash can over it if nothing else.

        Thank you kindly.
         
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