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  1. Michael Russo

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    that actually isn't bad at all. wonder what final version will look like,
     
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      Interesting... Got invited to a presentation event of the Jaguar i-Pace prototype at a golf resort near Brussels... I wonder if I got this as longtime BMW driver Jaguar is trying to woo away from Muenchen, or as an EV enthusiast active on forums focused on T≡SLA?
      Or... could it be both? ;)

      Anyways, will check this out for y'all and make a report soon thereafter!!

      Note this links to the invite in French.
      Note the warning - since the prototype is assembled by hand, we can't sit in it ... :D

      http://campaign.jaguar.be/optiext/o...GsBzjyC36_ceLI+EIA+ToNW00pMQkQobsIBSDa5MXjwPc
       
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        #4 Michael Russo, May 30, 2017
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        Ok, as just promised (see post #3), here is my M3OC report from attending the special Jaguar promo event for the I-Pace today!

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        Just as a reminder, this is currently merely a concept car, though the Jaguar person in charge of the event claims she has seen the production version (which I kinda found strange since deliveries are not planned before end 2018... o_O).

        As the above pic shows, this was a behind ropes event (though no NDA was signed and no one tried to block me from taking pics - interestingly, no one else was! ;)) yet I was able to walk around very closely and gauge the car appropriately.

        It looks bigger than it actually is; length confirmed to be 4.68 m (haha: 184.25'', sounds like very close to another BEV we care about, no?!). Part of that comes from the ginormous 23'' wheels & tires the concept sat on!! (btw, production car shouldn't have those, probably max 21'') Of course, it clearly looks like a midsize SUV, therefore more of a Model Y alternative than vs. Model ≡. Yet, since the latter is announced at 184.8'', ours will not be a small car; for most of us that is good news...

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        You won't be surprised if I tell you I asked about cargo space... response was, production car will have 510 litres (18 ft3 !!) for the trunk only... No further comment...

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        The I-Pace will be AWD, based on a 90 kWh battery. Range quoted at 500 kms (311 miles) on NEDC, value on EPA cycle is not known. The Jaguar lady (if I may call her that way, she looked more like a mature Minnie Mouse... :p) 'hopes' it will be close to 400 kms (250 miles).

        Since this is still a concept, I asked how different will the production car look... I was told '90 %' of WYSIWWG (what we see is what we'll get)... Seats won't be as won't be as novel looking, dashboard on the other should 'look similar'... Stay tuned would be my take on that...

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        Interior looks nice and roomy. Dashboard looks rather 'modern' (ok, we're not quite on Starship Enterprise... but fine...) and has two binnacles...

        Other information I was able to glean:

        - Reservations can already be made as of now via the Jaguar website; a dealer then contacts you and, if confirmed, you are asked to fork out €1,500. No big sweat there... As stated, deliveries are planned as of late next year
        - Production likely in the U.K. yet this is far from confirmed
        - Jaguar still need to determine their charging strategy; potentially would recommend CCS but not sure yet...

        Now... final straw... Any idea about the price... Well yes...! (and I still have not recovered :confused::eek::D) So... VAT included, it should be starting at ~€80k (that would equate to just under $60k, excluding tax and at current forex of $1.1 to the €...
        Not quite the car for the masses... :rolleyes:

        Anyways, I enjoyed the opportunity to see it up, close and personal... It is a decent looking car, with potential depending on final design, yet many questions remain and I would definitely not rate it as affordable... If they sell 50-100,000 per year, that would already be an enormous success...

        Time will tell...

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          I was tempted , until I saw the sticker price!! - realistic X competitor based on what you've seen?
           
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          At 60 grand I'd buy one if it were available now.

          Awd and zero to sixty in 4 flat works for me and that sheet metal as a cuv is stunning.

          I believe this body style and shape will be huge in the marketplace.

          Tesla would do well to leave that teardrop shape of the model x on the drawing board and follow the roofline of the Porsche Macan and jaguar I pace and F pace...

          This is what consumers are craving for. Sporting soft road vehicles that have a lot of sport in their utility look.

          I predict the small (184 inch length ) awd electric and even gas market will continue to explode and minimize sedans and even sports cars....both 2 and four door models of traditional market vehicles will diminish due to the sporty and good looking vehicles like the jaguar I pace...

          I dig the tesla model 3 although I'm beginning to tire at all the slow leaks and just want the final colors and options to be announced already..

          I love anticipation and have always ordered my previous vehicles but there is a huge difference between ordering from Detroit and having a seven week wait which has been fun to a one year treasure hunt just to get the colors, options and pricing...

          I think I was good for the twelve months but now....in the 14 th month of not knowing....I'm becoming a little annoyed ...

          June 2 nod is around the corner so I'm hopeful we finally will get colors and pricing of options...

          That jaguar is sweet and at 60 grand large...it's tempting although 23 inch rims do tend to make almost anything look like a concept showcar...

          In my opinion tesla model 3 would be well served with the launch cars 20 in rims ...

          Without them? I'm thinking stock standard 18 rims and just ordering a set of 20 s from the aftermarket...

          I like the showcar good looks of the release vehicle...

          I'm hopeful for a blacked out window trim and a bright red color like we are seeing in your photos...

          These are playful sporty runabouts ...not extra long and large luxury cars...

          Jmo
           
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            Afraid not, that would be like buying a size 8 pair of shoes when you normally need an 11... ;) Remember, Model X is a roomy 5 seater (or a 7 seater with much less trunk space...)...

            Plus the i-Pace is still a concept and we need to see what it will really turns out to be.
            For me too, the price is the killer... Model Y will have it for lunch though... ;)
             
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              Stepping up the I-Pace? ;)

               
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              "unique door handles", WHAT?
               
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                Warning (spoiler alert! :D) - article actually mentions RC production, not really sellable cars. Tweeted back to Eric noting the somewhat misleading implication in the title.
                Also, 90 minutes to charge to 80% via 50 kW 'fast' charging does not impress me so much for an €80k car... :rolleyes:

                 
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                I found some of the responses interesting!

                I got an email from Jaguar directly so i could sign up to see this in person, and they say 10-15% more on a comparatively spec’d F-Pace.
                A loaded out F-Pace which is barely as good as the I-pace prices for: $78,500 so 10% would be $86,350 and 15% would be $90,275…

                i would say $85K-$90K would be a safe guess.

                Electric cars are more than just their kWhs and hp. This car is only about five inches taller than a Model 3, and the same length. It will charge far slower, and not have any autopilot capabilities, and costs at least $25,000 more. Yes, dual motors and around 4 seconds 0-60…which the Model 3 will have soon enough probably for around $45,000. Around the same range for both. You basically have to REALLY want a hatchback to pick the Jaguar.
                The I-Pace is a lot smaller than the Model X and seats fewer passengers. It has slower acceleration, shorter range, takes twice as long to charge, has no autopilot, there will be no price pressure on the S or X from the I-Pace.

                I find the I-Pace interesting looking, but why the massive grill? It looks like an ICE that wants to be an EV! The front end of the model 3 has really grown on me and it is a design feature that looks like "the future" and the model 3 will beat the UWCs off an I-Pace when it comes to Cd efficiency. The I-Pace IS NOT a model 3 competitor, I think it is a Macan, MBZ cuv competitor..................which is good!
                 
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                  #12 Cloxxki, Jul 7, 2017
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                  Tall bonnet. Just for muscular looks, or might there be a huge frunk under there?
                  Some BEV's have a bonnet that's half full but can't take any luggage. Tesla's frunk are shrinking more and more. Let's see how Jag manage their bits.

                  EDIT: just took time to read some of the posts above. 510 litres, nice!

                  A pricey car, but it could become a popular one. It's a Jag, foremost, and looks awesome for travelling. I may well beat Model S for cargo capacity while being a bit shorter and more premium feeling.

                  I doubt they'd go to production with a car that charges slowly. Also, where others throw around big numbers to impress investors, Jag may be singing the competition a lullaby with the 90kWh. If they want i badly enough, they can fit more. But it seems unlikely they'll match Model S on consumption, standing so tall with a less organic shape.

                  By 2019, Model 3 will be everywhere on the road. Model S/X will be quite common also. A Jag BEV will impress more neighbors.
                   
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                  With all those specs in mind, why would anyone not buy a Tesla in the EV arena?

                  This is another one of those all image no substance products. I won't be giving up my Tesla reservation for the I-pace.
                   
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                    Perhaps that is true, but the only one I want to impress is myself.
                     
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                      Jaguar is going to confuse everyone with the fact that the E-Pace, which is a great looking small SUV at a decent price, is not the electric model. I was looking at it on their web site the other day and it took me a few minutes to realize that.
                       
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                            Hmmph! That's what they get for thinking so highly of their 'Tesla Killer'!
                             
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