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      Besides Dieselgate I am a VW fan.
      Had a Golf and now A3, both company cars and I really like the build qualiry and overall.
      If they had a EV similar to Tesla, I would switch right now to an EV.
      Upssssss ... I forgot I don't have where to charge it...
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        Boa noite amigo... As I said, everybody is entitled to their opinion... :) I had quality problems with an A6 several years ago... and this Dieselgate really did it to me...! Nail in the coffin... Besides why did it take so long to sense the trend here...?! Why weren't they the one planning a Gigafactory years ago? Where was their 'vision' up to now?
        It is clear that, had they suddenly had a yuuuge need to work on a (badly) tarnished image ... and would Elon not make rockets & beautiful T≡SLA Model ≡ spaceships on wheels, VW would still plan generations of TDI's !! :)
        Again, I just think they are getting a bit ahead of themselves with these recent announcements... wishful thinking to some extent...
         
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          As I wrote before somewhere else:
          They were making money and squeezing all they could from TDI technology.
          Instead of having a vision for the future.

          It seems that companies somewhere in time loose vision and values from what product they want to build and just get worried about making money and keeping up to shareholders growth expectations.
           
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            I was in love with the Love Bug, but it's time Herbie went electric.
             
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              Long time VW owner here. I am trying to get a buy back on my 2013 Beetle TDI. VW is dragging their feet. So, their mea coulpa is not all that sincere. I did like the car, great handling and really great acceleration and 50MPG on a trip. But the prospect of a ≡ has me turned off to any ICE car.
               
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                #7 Michael Russo, Nov 24, 2016
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                More of the same.... :)
                Notice all the references to T≡SLA which is always telling as to who is setting the scene, at least for the foreseeable future.
                Also note the writer acknowledges there maybe some hype in Diess' statements (fitting with the title of this thread...:p) though nobody would argue with the likelihood of VAG achieving notable success in a decade ... Yet 1st in the world by 2025?... the jury is out... :)

                http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertels...tegy-finally-something-that-makes-some-sense/
                 
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                  It's just all vaporware at this point,

                  Dan
                   
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                    #9 MichelT3, Nov 29, 2016
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                    I really DON'T like VAG-products. All to bland and unimaginative. Well made cars, but without any inspiration, continuing on the old-well trodden ways. Which is exactly why they pushed themselves into Dieselgate.
                    If they really do a turn-around, they could survive. But I doubt whether 25 % EV's in 2025 will be enough.
                    By then even 'Joe-sixpack' will see that ICE's cars are fossils themselves, without any second hand value in 2030. And the second hand value has always been very important to the VW-buyer (I know a few). So, my guess is that even 'Joe' won't buy an ICE-car in 2025 any more. Which could even happen sooner... around 2020. But that soon there are not enough BEV's on the marked yet.

                    I used to be a Citroën fan. But I now believe that partly Chinese owned PSA (of which Citroën and Peugeot are the main parts, selling all over the world, but not in the US) has lost it almost completely. I would surprise me if it won't go bankrupt (or move to China) in the next decade.
                    Tesla is what Citroën used to be in the 1950s and '60s; daring technology and design, exciting and accelerating the whole car marked.
                     
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                      @MichelT3 , each brand has & generally retains its core group of die hard fans... fortunately people have different opinions and this is ok. :)
                      I personally am with you with regards to VAG in general, if you don't include the exotics they also own... (cf. my earlier post)....
                      To survive, you need innovation & economy of scale... Not all current carmakers will make it... that is clear...
                      The EV revolution is underway... let's see where it takes us!!!
                       
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                        My wife loved her '99 VW Gold diesel. So much so that she put 420,000 kms on it by the time we sold it!
                        She immediately went and bought a 2009 City Golf. It now sits in our garage with 36,000 kms on it. Basically unused for the most part but she still loves it. When she talks about getting a new car when the time comes it will be an EV. She even asked if the e-Golf was coming to Canada but her minimum range has to be 300Kms to be viable given the trips she does (she does not want to have to sit for an hour to top up).

                        I have a feeling I'm going to be fighting her to drive *my* Model 3 ;)
                         
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                          I just looove the Freudian slip on your wife's 99 'Gold'...!!! Fitting in this thread!! LOL :p:p:p
                           
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                          @MichelT3
                          This makes sense and is somewhat how I felt when VAG salesman, dropped 5000€ on the price of a new A3.
                          I think they are already dumping stock and pushing this cars to general public.
                           
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                          Porsche expects to sell 20k Mission E...
                          Not bad for a car that is likely to go for over €150k...
                           
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                            Hmmm... Did you show her the Volkswagen ID...?
                            http://fortune.com/2016/09/28/volkswagen-paris-ev/
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                            I haven't yet. She didn't like the i3 she test drove but the ID might be a contender. She's not ready to replace her Golf yet given she hardly drives it but this one might be the one that get's her to switch once it goes into production.

                            She's already asked to try the e-Golf once it arrives here next year but I don' think the range will be enough to keep her from complaining :)
                             
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                              Step by step... slowly coming to their senses... put your money where your mouth is... and all will be good... ;)
                               
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                                Nice, but... Isn't this though just a verbal acknowledgement of what had already been reported earlier? Except that before, the Volkswagen battery factory in Germany was said to be to supply their hybridized vehicles going forward. I think that announcement may have been made just ahead of the sanctions by the U.S. and E.U. over 'DieselGate'. One thing about InsideEVs is that for some reason they don't do direct quotes of people that they haven't interviewed themselves. Instead, they paraphrase the reports that others have made. It would certainly help to know the question that was asked, and the context, before finding out this... 'answer', especially if video exists of the answer someone gave. I've mentioned this to one of their contributors before, but it seems they are really afraid of either plagiarism or misreporting, so they insist that they must be present in order to report on what they have actually witnessed themselves, rather than taking someone else's word on it. Perhaps they are afraid that in search of headlines other websites might use clever editing to make it seem as if someone like Elon Musk has said something entirely different than what might have been meant.
                                 
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                                  I feel sorry for you @TrevP . I'm in a bit of the same position. My wife loves her FIAT 500 TwinAir, but she has had een less good experience with driving a Smart Two4two E-Drive, which has put her off EV's in her mind. She liked being a passenger in a testdrive with a Model S though. She still doesn't understand my enthusiasm for the Model 3, but 'allows' it.
                                   
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                                    My wifes first comment after we left the Tesla store from my test drive, her test ride {her choice, not mine} was how quickly she was smashed back in her seat when I floored it from a standstill! The car in question was a single motor S75, not a P100D.

                                    She understands my enthusiasm completely now.
                                     
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