1. Tesla Model 3 apparel now available!


    Dismiss Notice

No door locks?

Discussion in 'Design' started by garsh, Aug 22, 2017.

More threads by garsh
  1. garsh

    Dis Member
    Moderator
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Messages:
    2,447
    Likes Received:
    1,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    City & State/Province:
    Pittsburgh PA
    Country:
    Country
    We've seen what we believe to be a button to unlatch the door, as well as a mechanical lever to unlatch the door.
    It just now dawned on me - the Model 3 doesn't have a separate door locking mechanism.

    A little digging reveals that the S doesn't provide lock buttons either. Locking is handled automatically.


    [​IMG]
     
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • SoFlaModel3

      Impatiently Waiting
      Expand Collapse

      Joined:
      Apr 15, 2017
      Messages:
      2,278
      Likes Received:
      1,036
      Trophy Points:
      113
      Gender:
      Male
      City & State/Province:
      Coral Springs, FL
      Country:
      Country
      Not exactly true. On Model S the door locks are controlled on the screen and it looks like Model 3 is the same.

      EDIT: adding a picture. Top left corner of the right 2/3's of the screen...

      113EC294-6974-4C3A-9F9A-6556AE817964.JPG
       
      • Agree Agree x 1
      • KennethK

        Top-Contributor
        Expand Collapse

        Joined:
        Oct 13, 2016
        Messages:
        546
        Likes Received:
        270
        Trophy Points:
        63
        Gender:
        Male
        City & State/Province:
        Michigan
        Country:
        Country
        @SoFlaModel3 do you just click on the lock icon to lock and unlock the doors?
         
      • Jean-Pierre Malef

        New Member
        Expand Collapse

        Joined:
        Jul 30, 2017
        Messages:
        4
        Likes Received:
        4
        Trophy Points:
        3
        Gender:
        Male
        City & State/Province:
        Perwez
        Country:
        Country
        On my old VW Passat (2001), all doors and trunk are locked automatically when driving above 20 km/h, and unlocked when turning the engine off.

        And Tesla still needs manual intervention ?
         
      • Gizmo

        Active Member
        Expand Collapse

        Joined:
        Jun 16, 2017
        Messages:
        67
        Likes Received:
        20
        Trophy Points:
        8
        Gender:
        Male
        City & State/Province:
        Kent
        Country:
        Country
        But that was an option that could be turned off (not all counties had it enabled from the factory)

        I think what garsh is getting at is... can a passenger manually lock a door, or does it have to be done from the screen?
         
      • SoFlaModel3

        Impatiently Waiting
        Expand Collapse

        Joined:
        Apr 15, 2017
        Messages:
        2,278
        Likes Received:
        1,036
        Trophy Points:
        113
        Gender:
        Male
        City & State/Province:
        Coral Springs, FL
        Country:
        Country
        Yes sir!


        No, it has auto locks as well or you can manually intervene.

        Buttons have been eliminated, so the passenger can do it but it's done from the screen (or app).
         
        • Informative Informative x 1
        • garsh

          Dis Member
          Moderator
          Expand Collapse

          Joined:
          Apr 4, 2016
          Messages:
          2,447
          Likes Received:
          1,370
          Trophy Points:
          113
          Gender:
          Male
          City & State/Province:
          Pittsburgh PA
          Country:
          Country
          I was just making an observation, and decided to initiate a conversation. :)

          My current cars will lock the doors automatically above a certain speed, but there are manual overrides available.
          This would just be my first vehicle that didn't have a lock button of some kind.
           
          • Agree Agree x 3
          • Like Like x 1
          • SoFlaModel3

            Impatiently Waiting
            Expand Collapse

            Joined:
            Apr 15, 2017
            Messages:
            2,278
            Likes Received:
            1,036
            Trophy Points:
            113
            Gender:
            Male
            City & State/Province:
            Coral Springs, FL
            Country:
            Country
            Oh I agree. The same can be said for the plethora of other buttons I won't ever touch again ;)
             
            • Funny Funny x 2
            • Like Like x 1
            • Gabzqc

              Active Member
              Expand Collapse

              Joined:
              Oct 15, 2016
              Messages:
              175
              Likes Received:
              90
              Trophy Points:
              28
              Gender:
              Male
              City & State/Province:
              Helsinki, Finland
              Country:
              Country
              Could be as simple as not "locking" the doors, but removing the ability to "open/unlock" the doors when travelling above a set speed. The door button simply does nothing from the inside....
               
              • Agree Agree x 2
              • SSonnentag

                Well-Known Member
                Expand Collapse

                Joined:
                Mar 30, 2017
                Messages:
                276
                Likes Received:
                109
                Trophy Points:
                43
                Gender:
                Male
                City & State/Province:
                Peeples Valley, Arizona, USA
                Country:
                Country
                I don't think I have ever used the manual locks in my Volt. Strange that I never noticed that until this thread. Apparently manual locks aren't needed, at least for me. :D
                 
                • Agree Agree x 1
                • SoFlaModel3

                  Impatiently Waiting
                  Expand Collapse

                  Joined:
                  Apr 15, 2017
                  Messages:
                  2,278
                  Likes Received:
                  1,036
                  Trophy Points:
                  113
                  Gender:
                  Male
                  City & State/Province:
                  Coral Springs, FL
                  Country:
                  Country
                  For a weird safety/anxiety concern -- I instantly (without thinking about it) manually lock my doors as soon as I get in.
                   
                  • Agree Agree x 2
                  • Michael Russo

                    Top-Contributor
                    Moderator
                    Expand Collapse

                    Joined:
                    Oct 15, 2016
                    Messages:
                    3,373
                    Likes Received:
                    1,931
                    Trophy Points:
                    113
                    Gender:
                    Male
                    City & State/Province:
                    Belgium now, SW France when my Model ≡ gets here
                    Country:
                    Country
                    Certainly have done the same thing... in certain areas!! :rolleyes:
                     
                    • Like Like x 2
                    • Agree Agree x 1
                    • MelindaV

                      ☰ > 3
                      Moderator
                      Expand Collapse

                      Joined:
                      Apr 2, 2016
                      Messages:
                      2,833
                      Likes Received:
                      1,918
                      Trophy Points:
                      113
                      Gender:
                      Female
                      City & State/Province:
                      Vancouver, WA
                      Country:
                      Country
                      my current car's passengers often panic :smilingimp: because the interior door latches do not work with the doors locked, they unlock automatically when the key is turned off, or you manually push the lock button. Comes up every time my niece stays with me and has to get out of the car before it's parked in the garage and she never remembers lol
                      Do the Tesla interior door latches work when locked?
                       
                      • Like Like x 1
                      • SoFlaModel3

                        Impatiently Waiting
                        Expand Collapse

                        Joined:
                        Apr 15, 2017
                        Messages:
                        2,278
                        Likes Received:
                        1,036
                        Trophy Points:
                        113
                        Gender:
                        Male
                        City & State/Province:
                        Coral Springs, FL
                        Country:
                        Country
                        I'm 99.9% sure pulling the grab handle in the Model S with a locked door will open the door. Funny that I don't know for sure when I've been in the car a bunch.
                         
                      • MelindaV

                        ☰ > 3
                        Moderator
                        Expand Collapse

                        Joined:
                        Apr 2, 2016
                        Messages:
                        2,833
                        Likes Received:
                        1,918
                        Trophy Points:
                        113
                        Gender:
                        Female
                        City & State/Province:
                        Vancouver, WA
                        Country:
                        Country
                        i had seen in delivery event videos that when moving, you can not open the doors with the button, but a driver did elude that the manual latch would open the door.
                         
                        • Informative Informative x 1
                        • arnis

                          Well-Known Member
                          Expand Collapse

                          Joined:
                          Feb 6, 2017
                          Messages:
                          257
                          Likes Received:
                          77
                          Trophy Points:
                          28
                          Gender:
                          Male
                          City & State/Province:
                          Keila, Harjumaa
                          Country:
                          Country
                          It appears Tesla is consistent with simplicity.
                          Model 3 appears to have no "door locking/unlocking mechanism". It has unlatching actuator.
                          It's something similar like frunk on S/X (and trunks on many vehicles).

                          There is an electric actuator that pulls a lever to "un-click" the latch from the striker.
                          All those buttons do is send a signal to control module that actuates an actuator.
                          Locked vehicle means control module does not send 12V to actuators. It's that easy.
                          Pulling handle outside the vehicle still results a "button click". But nothing happens.

                          Why?
                          Because locks are also over-engineered, ESPECIALLY by Germans :D
                          My BMW door lock looks like that:
                          [​IMG]
                          [​IMG]
                          Absolutely giant. It weights a whole kilogram. And there are 4 in every vehicle:eek:.
                          All we need is this:
                          [​IMG]
                          Same vehicle but latch for the trunk. I expect Model 3 has something similar in every door,
                          trunk and frunk. Just an actuator and a nice two step latch (except trunk, that has one step).
                          "Manual pull mechanism" is usually a strap tied to the actuator arm.
                          Actuator has little resistance to pulling. It return with a spring.
                          (many vehicles have those in the trunk, emergency release handle from inside).
                           
                          • Informative Informative x 2
                          • ReD eXiLe

                            Active Member
                            Expand Collapse

                            Joined:
                            Jun 18, 2017
                            Messages:
                            157
                            Likes Received:
                            49
                            Trophy Points:
                            28
                            Gender:
                            Male
                            City & State/Province:
                            Mississippi
                            Country:
                            Country
                            As I mentioned elsewhere...

                            I wouldn't worry about it. Someone at Tesla has probably already figured it all out.

                            As for the inside of the car, the types of switches used to unlock or lock the door seem to be the same style as those used for the window switches. Though not labeled as such, I'd expect that for the window switches a quick tap or pull would be equivalent to an express open or express close function. Thus, for the driver's side door, the lock switch probably has a third & fourth action that would be equivalent to lock all doors and unlock all doors.
                             
                          • ReD eXiLe

                            Active Member
                            Expand Collapse

                            Joined:
                            Jun 18, 2017
                            Messages:
                            157
                            Likes Received:
                            49
                            Trophy Points:
                            28
                            Gender:
                            Male
                            City & State/Province:
                            Mississippi
                            Country:
                            Country
                            I have the same issue with my passengers, in that they can't wait until I come to a complete stop before taking off their seat belts. I've asked them why they are in such a hurry... Is my driving that bad, that they must escape immediately with their lives?
                             
                            • Funny Funny x 3
                            • Agree Agree x 2
                            • Tudor Patroi

                              Member
                              Expand Collapse

                              Joined:
                              Aug 27, 2017
                              Messages:
                              6
                              Likes Received:
                              0
                              Trophy Points:
                              1
                              Gender:
                              Male
                              City & State/Province:
                              Mississauga
                              Country:
                              Country
                              Had a look around, but could not find an answer to something that bothers me. I am a big fan of Musk and Tesla and SpaceX, but some ideas seem too extreme. For example, on my current car, when I leave I can lock the doors by pressing a button on the outside handle of each door. So when I leave I get a positive confirmation that the car is locked.
                              With M3, it seems that idea is that the car will lock itself automatically after you move far enough such that it will lose the Bluetooth link. But I can see scenarios where this is bad. There are many regions where theft is a serious concern. If you need to be 10-25m away for the doors to lock, this would give somebody enough time to crack open one door on the other side while you move away and prevent it to lock. If they reduce the range such that it locks when you get out, then it will lock and unlock too fast, like when you hand wash your car in front of your house. So this means that it will force you to basically use the proximity card to lock it each time when you leave the car, which is a nuisance too and negates many of the Bluetooth advantages. And all these because they went cheap and did not install buttons on the door handles. I hope that someone proves me wrong and is a better way. No, using the app is not a better way.
                               
                            • MelindaV

                              ☰ > 3
                              Moderator
                              Expand Collapse

                              Joined:
                              Apr 2, 2016
                              Messages:
                              2,833
                              Likes Received:
                              1,918
                              Trophy Points:
                              113
                              Gender:
                              Female
                              City & State/Province:
                              Vancouver, WA
                              Country:
                              Country
                              there is a lock 'button' on the screen
                              PSX_20170822_001306.jpg

                              this wasn't a 'went cheap' thing. The entire car design/tech is geared toward autonomous (car share) features and things that will work for that system.
                               
                              • Agree Agree x 4

                              Share This Page

                              Model 3 Owners Club © 2017. All rights reserved.
                              Model 3 Owners Club (M3OC) is an enthusiast club and is not affiliated with Tesla Motors or the Tesla Motors Club Forum (TMC).
                              All Tesla logos are trademarks or registered trademarks of Tesla Motors.