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  1. garsh

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    We've seen what we believe to be a button to unlatch the door, as well as a mechanical lever to unlatch the door.
    It just now dawned on me - the Model 3 doesn't have a separate door locking mechanism.

    A little digging reveals that the S doesn't provide lock buttons either. Locking is handled automatically.


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    Not exactly true. On Model S the door locks are controlled on the screen and it looks like Model 3 is the same.

    EDIT: adding a picture. Top left corner of the right 2/3's of the screen...

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    @SoFlaModel3 do you just click on the lock icon to lock and unlock the doors?
     
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    On my old VW Passat (2001), all doors and trunk are locked automatically when driving above 20 km/h, and unlocked when turning the engine off.

    And Tesla still needs manual intervention ?
     
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    But that was an option that could be turned off (not all counties had it enabled from the factory)

    I think what garsh is getting at is... can a passenger manually lock a door, or does it have to be done from the screen?
     
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    Yes sir!


    No, it has auto locks as well or you can manually intervene.

    Buttons have been eliminated, so the passenger can do it but it's done from the screen (or app).
     
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    I was just making an observation, and decided to initiate a conversation. :)

    My current cars will lock the doors automatically above a certain speed, but there are manual overrides available.
    This would just be my first vehicle that didn't have a lock button of some kind.
     
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    Oh I agree. The same can be said for the plethora of other buttons I won't ever touch again ;)
     
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    Could be as simple as not "locking" the doors, but removing the ability to "open/unlock" the doors when travelling above a set speed. The door button simply does nothing from the inside....
     
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    I don't think I have ever used the manual locks in my Volt. Strange that I never noticed that until this thread. Apparently manual locks aren't needed, at least for me. :D
     
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    For a weird safety/anxiety concern -- I instantly (without thinking about it) manually lock my doors as soon as I get in.
     
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    Certainly have done the same thing... in certain areas!! :rolleyes:
     
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    my current car's passengers often panic :smilingimp: because the interior door latches do not work with the doors locked, they unlock automatically when the key is turned off, or you manually push the lock button. Comes up every time my niece stays with me and has to get out of the car before it's parked in the garage and she never remembers lol
    Do the Tesla interior door latches work when locked?
     
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    I'm 99.9% sure pulling the grab handle in the Model S with a locked door will open the door. Funny that I don't know for sure when I've been in the car a bunch.
     
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    i had seen in delivery event videos that when moving, you can not open the doors with the button, but a driver did elude that the manual latch would open the door.
     
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    It appears Tesla is consistent with simplicity.
    Model 3 appears to have no "door locking/unlocking mechanism". It has unlatching actuator.
    It's something similar like frunk on S/X (and trunks on many vehicles).

    There is an electric actuator that pulls a lever to "un-click" the latch from the striker.
    All those buttons do is send a signal to control module that actuates an actuator.
    Locked vehicle means control module does not send 12V to actuators. It's that easy.
    Pulling handle outside the vehicle still results a "button click". But nothing happens.

    Why?
    Because locks are also over-engineered, ESPECIALLY by Germans :D
    My BMW door lock looks like that:
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    Absolutely giant. It weights a whole kilogram. And there are 4 in every vehicle:eek:.
    All we need is this:
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    Same vehicle but latch for the trunk. I expect Model 3 has something similar in every door,
    trunk and frunk. Just an actuator and a nice two step latch (except trunk, that has one step).
    "Manual pull mechanism" is usually a strap tied to the actuator arm.
    Actuator has little resistance to pulling. It return with a spring.
    (many vehicles have those in the trunk, emergency release handle from inside).
     
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    As I mentioned elsewhere...

    I wouldn't worry about it. Someone at Tesla has probably already figured it all out.

    As for the inside of the car, the types of switches used to unlock or lock the door seem to be the same style as those used for the window switches. Though not labeled as such, I'd expect that for the window switches a quick tap or pull would be equivalent to an express open or express close function. Thus, for the driver's side door, the lock switch probably has a third & fourth action that would be equivalent to lock all doors and unlock all doors.
     
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    I have the same issue with my passengers, in that they can't wait until I come to a complete stop before taking off their seat belts. I've asked them why they are in such a hurry... Is my driving that bad, that they must escape immediately with their lives?
     
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    Had a look around, but could not find an answer to something that bothers me. I am a big fan of Musk and Tesla and SpaceX, but some ideas seem too extreme. For example, on my current car, when I leave I can lock the doors by pressing a button on the outside handle of each door. So when I leave I get a positive confirmation that the car is locked.
    With M3, it seems that idea is that the car will lock itself automatically after you move far enough such that it will lose the Bluetooth link. But I can see scenarios where this is bad. There are many regions where theft is a serious concern. If you need to be 10-25m away for the doors to lock, this would give somebody enough time to crack open one door on the other side while you move away and prevent it to lock. If they reduce the range such that it locks when you get out, then it will lock and unlock too fast, like when you hand wash your car in front of your house. So this means that it will force you to basically use the proximity card to lock it each time when you leave the car, which is a nuisance too and negates many of the Bluetooth advantages. And all these because they went cheap and did not install buttons on the door handles. I hope that someone proves me wrong and is a better way. No, using the app is not a better way.
     
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    there is a lock 'button' on the screen
    PSX_20170822_001306.jpg

    this wasn't a 'went cheap' thing. The entire car design/tech is geared toward autonomous (car share) features and things that will work for that system.
     
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