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[Opinion] Whoa! Is first production car WAY different than r/c???

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    I just woke up and saw an article showing an image of the first production model 3. Here it is:

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    Isn't that WAY different than what we were seeing before?

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    To me the back looks much further away from the rear wheel and the front perhaps looks slightly further too. Is this just angle? The earlier picture looks dead sexy... the new one looks, umm... sad to say it, but kinda ugly. Like something heavy sat on the front and squished it.

    Is this just a difference between a real world and a staged professional photo? Or did they change it?
     
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      Steven, hi... you're probably (& hopefully!) be back to sleep now, so good morning!

      Not sure which pic of Elon's new car you post as it doesn't show (at least for me). If it is this one

      I understand where you are coming from with respect to the back relative to the rear axle, yet this has got to be an angle-driven effect.

      It is extremely unlikely, not to say impossible, that they would have made such a drastic design change (which would de facto mean the car got longer?!) relative to RCs...

      As for looks, well, that is of course a matter of personal taste... I for one find this pic of last night so gorgeous it almost makes me reconsider black (with the 19'' turbines, naturalmente! ;)) as second plan B next to Blue if Midnight Silver remains an unaccomplished dream.... :D
       
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        Two issues:
        1. That second picture was an early computer-generated rendering. It's not an RC.
        2. There's a very different perspective for these two pictures. The top picture was taken from far away with a tele-photo lens. The computer rendering mimics an up-close picture.
         
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          @garsh , yes, thanks for confirming my suspicion ! I thought this wasn't even an RC yet, tired & all, I did not want to chance it! ;)
          In any case, as we both wrote, you really can't compare both pics! Well said!
           
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          I'm right there with you. I have sworn off black cars, but wow it looks so nice having never seen the road ;)
           
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            That's exactly the problem with black. It shows everything (like white), making it impossible to keep the car looking nice without washing it every day. Something which I certainly don't do!
            Midnight Silver would be very easy in that respect.

            I wouldn't worry @Michael Russo, colours might change or be added by the time we can order our cars. And by then we will have seen them a lot in real life. Probably even have driven in them.
             
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              I have a friend who is an automotive photographer by profession. He says that black cars are almost impossible to photograph well outdoors. You lose all detail in a photo of a black car. It is challenging to make them look good. Lighting is critical and that is why they, black cars, photograph best inside a studio where lighting is carefully controlled.

              I think a red SN1 would have made an even greater impact - attention grabbing color and easier to photograph in the wild.
               
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                I was thinking the same thing, telephoto lens due to the compressed looking background. Looks like the shooter was slightly to the right of the car as well, making the back look bigger and front smaller, amplified by the telephoto lens. At least, that's what it looks like to me...
                 
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                Yep... except that Elon seems to like black cars... :D

                Oh, and would you then have voted red on the poll, ModFather?? :p
                 
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                  :car::shootingstar::rainbow:
                   
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                    #11 ModFather, Jul 9, 2017
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                    Steven, I understand your concern. The picture you posted is a computer generated rendering of a concept car. It looks like 21" wheels on that car which gives the proportions of the car a different perspective. Here is a computer generated rendering of the final car from the My Tesla page to try to compare apples to apples:
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                    Yes, I think the proportions of the car have changed from the concept car. The front hood line is longer and lower to improve the Cd and get close to that mythical .21Cd that EM promised and also provide a better view of the road. The rear overhang is now a bit longer, I presume to provide more trunk room. The wheels are now 19" to provide better range and ride comfort. I believe all this happened during the April - July 2016 "pencils down" redesign of the Alpha car. This is how evolution works from concept car to production car. You can always go to 21" wheels in aftermarket if that is the look you are after. The production car is close enough in design to the concept car to satisfy me. It is always best to view the car in person, from all angles before making your decision.
                     
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                      I've always gone back to that first photo everytime I wanted to remind myself how gorgeous the car will be. Learning that was just CGI is a bit disappointing. I should have known better.

                      I realize it's subjective, but that photo Elon tweeted... Man, to me there's not much that has over even a Leaf in terms of looks. Your average Hyundai is more appealing, aesthetically speaking. And that's difficult for me to say after drooling and anxiously waiting now for 15 ish months.

                      I'll still get one, barring more disappointments, but I'm crying a little lol
                       
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                      #13 SoFlaModel3, Jul 9, 2017
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                      Wait what? You mean you're disappointed by the production vehicle? It's really not "that" different than the renditions.

                      As a current body well equipped Hyundai driver I can tell you I disagree ;)

                      Between the large rims, clean and sleek lines, it's just right.

                      Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I have maintained from day 1 this car looks like a Porsche from the front and Audi from the back. I still think it does!
                       
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                        It's subtly different in all the wrong ways.
                         
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                        I think you are over-reading and over-analyzing this. We need to see the car in the flesh. Every picture and video of the car gives a different look. I wasn't so aware of the distortion inherent in cameras and their vsrious lens. Telephotos change the proportions. I think the front has been softened with less sharp lines, but otherwise pretty much what was shown at the initial reveal.
                         
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                          Hmm I own a Leaf which is fine as a people mover. However Elon's final tweet of the Black 3 with the red background looks great to me. Guess it's all eye of the beholder.
                           
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                            Care to elaborate? Again I am willing to accept and appreciate your opinion.

                            Just curious what those subtle differences are that you see that makes this no longer the "gorgeous car" you saw in the renderings.

                            Unless I'm truly blind, the only thing that has changed really is that the rims are smaller and the wheel gap a bit more relaxed. Of course I can't imagine that being what you're pointing to though as those can be addressed with ease aftermarket.

                            What else are you seeing?
                             
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                              I don't mean to speak for @Steven but I can see the differences too.
                              1. The rear overhang is now longer
                              2. The front overhang is longer
                              3. The front wheel well bumps are less pronounced
                              4. the frunk line is now much lower
                              5. The wheels are smaller

                              The original rendering of the black concept car showed a pugnacious street fighter. The production car looks like a svelte, refined sedan. I find the production car very attractive and more practical than the car in the concept rendering and I will be a proud owner. I repeat that I think everyone needs to see the car in person and feel the vibes given off before passing judgement. I may change my mind too, but I doubt it. :D

                              BTW, larger rims will not address fender gap. As the rims get larger, the tires get skinnier to maintain the same O.D. Otherwise you run the risk of altering the car systems to the detriment. Refer to the "tire diameter" thread. The best way to address fender gap is with SAS or coil over shocks.
                               
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                                Modfather is welcome to speak for me, because he pretty much nailed it. Especially "pugnacious street fighter"... that captures it perfectly. I was trying to describe it to my wife earlier and she just looked at me funny, as I would say things like:

                                Completely different emotional response to the two pictures for me.

                                Trying to figure out exactly why... I suppose points #1 and #4 I believe are what's bothering me the most. I don't think the wheel size is something I'm even noticing, although I do when I look carefully so maybe it was having a subconscious effect.

                                Another difference is the limo-tint, which may add to the effect.
                                 
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                                  What ever happened to the disagree button!
                                  Don't tell me someone's feelings got hurt.:D
                                   
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