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Is anyone else hoping that the finished product is a great drivers car?
I'm happy to pay for the ludicrous upgrade but I have recently learnt that on the Model S after a few minutes hard driving the car goes into a limp mode to allow the batteries to cool? If I had paid $10k for a performance upgrade that I couldn't keep using I would be upset! Any Model S owners care to share or explain if this is true?
This came to my attention after a guy at work looked up the Nurburgring lap time for the Model S, turns out it can't complete a lap!
 

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I understand that in fact I am not buying race car, but a car that is technologically advanced and doesn't burn any fuel. Ludicrous is nice, but not the reason why car exists.
 
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Yep, it wasn't designed to be a track car unfortunately. I assume the same will be true for the 3.

Here's a nice thread on the subject over at TMC:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-s-on-the-track-a-review.17581/
An interesting read, thanks for that Garsh. It seems like Tesla want to keep it a secret as to what exactly is causing the problem. I hope it's better on Model ☰ but will have to wait and see what reviews say. Interesting that even after watching many press reviews of Model S I never heard it mentioned! I

Zula, I know where you are coming from but I'm talking about performance and nothing else. I wouldn't plan to track the car but have driven high performance hatchbacks/saloons/estates for the last 15 years and I was hoping to be able to spec a
Model ☰ into a genuine M3/RS4/C63 electric alternative for fast road use.
 

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Is anyone else hoping that the finished product is a great drivers car?
I'm happy to pay for the ludicrous upgrade but I have recently learnt that on the Model S after a few minutes hard driving the car goes into a limp mode to allow the batteries to cool? If I had paid $10k for a performance upgrade that I couldn't keep using I would be upset! Any Model S owners care to share or explain if this is true?
This came to my attention after a guy at work looked up the Nurburgring lap time for the Model S, turns out it can't complete a lap!
If you're driving streets in a relatively legal manner this isn't an issue. If you're looking to take it to the track then there are definitely considerations but there are people doing just that.
 
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I suppose if the aftermarket community ever really takes off for Tesla, one of the bigger mods will be temperature management. People will be cutting holes in the bumper and throwing a radiator for the batteries there :D
 

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Think of Ludicrous Mode as if you were to perform a 50 meter dash at a track and field event. You'd do great the first time around (Ludicrous Mode), then possibly a bit worse if you don't take a break before giving it all you've got once again (Ludicrous Mode), and then your performance would go down significantly as you try to give it all once again (Limp Mode).
Yet, you should be able to walk non stop all day long (normal driving).
 

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What's the performance difference between a ludicrous mode vehicle versus a non ludicrious mode model?

Ten grand is more than I think I'll spend for a couple of tenths?
 
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It's hard to compare as the Model S seems to only come with the upgrade included on the P100D at the moment, which gives a 0-60 of 2.5 seconds.

The bigger difference seems to be on the 90Kwh battery where the performance version (P) drops the 0-60 from 4.2 to 3.0 seconds but costs a cool £20k ($25k) more! Ouch!
 

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I was hoping to be able to spec a
Model ☰ into a genuine M3/RS4/C63 electric alternative for fast road use.
I'd say it will be more than a match for fast road use. No need to imagine it just go test drive a Model S Pxxx and see for yourself and M3 will be similar, a Tesla will give you that instant full-on torque that M3/RS4/C63 cannot match.
 

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Having test driven a Model S with "Ludicrous" I can say it's more for bragging rights. Yes, having that kind of power for doing launches and making people feel a bit funny in the stomach is fun but honestly it's a lot of money to spend on a feature.

The first time I "stomped" the accelerator as instructed it scared me, it felt like being punched in the gut. Too much for my liking. But even if you haven't test driven a Ludicrous equipped car I think a P85D would be largely imperceptible to most in terms of performance.

For those really want the performance I'm sure a Model 3 equipped with Ludicrous will do sub 4-second 0-60Mph / 0-100Kph quite easily.

Even a bare Model S has plenty of power for most people.
 

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Here the thing is... Tesla Motors will design and build their cars for impressive operation at pseudo-legal speeds on surface streets, twisty backroads, and open highway... But with a focus on durability and reliability. Certain driving styles, particularly that employed by most while racing on a closed course, do not flatter Tesla's philosophy. Because battery cells operate best between about 35° Fahrenheit and 95° Fahrenheit, and the electronics that support the inverter and electric motors also fare best in those conditions, the system as a whole is constantly monitored. Should temperatures exceed 120° Fahrenheit and approach 130° Fahrenheit the power delivered is reduced to protect the ststem as a whole. For most people that would be the preferred behavior, as opposed to allowing a driver to break the car, thereby causing severe damage not covered by warranty. It is important to note this limitation is not a failure, but a protection from potential failure.

I am not aware of any ICE vehicle that can complete Nürburgring with its motor internals operating at the equivalent of room temperature, or within a narrow 60° range. Instead an ICE operates between 200° and 500° Fahrenheit, typically. A 300° wide range. Race prepped ICE vehicles would likely break in some manner, doing exactly what the driver tells them to do, when operating beyond safety constraints and that behavior is considered 'normal'. That is why racing is generally considered a pasttime for the RICH. Who else is ready and willing to replace motors and gearboxes as easily as tires or windshield wipers, or just whenever the 'old car' got dirty?
 

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Here the thing is... Tesla Motors will design and build their cars for impressive operation at pseudo-legal speeds on surface streets, twisty backroads, and open highway... But with a focus on durability and reliability. Certain driving styles, particularly that employed by most while racing on a closed course, do not flatter Tesla's philosophy. Because battery cells operate best between about 35° Fahrenheit and 95° Fahrenheit, and the electronics that support the inverter and electric motors also fare best in those conditions, the system as a whole is constantly monitored. Should temperatures exceed 120° Fahrenheit and approach 130° Fahrenheit the power delivered is reduced to protect the ststem as a whole. For most people that would be the preferred behavior, as opposed to allowing a driver to break the car, thereby causing severe damage not covered by warranty. It is important to note this limitation is not a failure, but a protection from potential failure.

I am not aware of any ICE vehicle that can complete Nürburgring with its motor internals operating at the equivalent of room temperature, or within a narrow 60° range. Instead an ICE operates between 200° and 500° Fahrenheit, typically. A 300° wide range. Race prepped ICE vehicles would likely break in some manner, doing exactly what the driver tells them to do, when operating beyond safety constraints and that behavior is considered 'normal'. That is why racing is generally considered a pasttime for the RICH. Who else is ready and willing to replace motors and gearboxes as easily as tires or windshield wipers, or just whenever the 'old car' got dirty?
As always, to each his own, yet I think you bring up excellent points, @Red Sage ... Most people, besides cost consciousness, will be very pleased with base Model ≡ performance at <6 sec. in 0-60 mph conditions & with the ability to occasionally & swiftly overtake another car! A car to enjoy, that's what it will be!! :cool:
 

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As always, to each his own, yet I think you bring up excellent points, @Red Sage ... Most people, besides cost consciousness, will be very pleased with base Model ≡ performance at <6 sec. in 0-60 mph conditions & with the ability to occasionally & swiftly overtake another car! A car to enjoy, that's what it will be!! :cool:
Yes. The point I typically make is that the Ferrari F40 had tremendous performance capabilities for its time, but essentially required a trailing pit crew when you took it on the open road. I think Tesla would prefer the Model 3 had a reputation that lauded its performance, while also receiving accolades for endurance, durability, and reliability. A car that needed visits for service less often than a Corolla, Civic, or Prius. A vehicle that conjurs imagery of being bulletproof and dependable to the point where it is taken for granted that it 'just works'. That is, I think, preferable to being considered wild, untamed, difficult, and unpredictable with 'beastly mannerisms'. That is not the type of 'character' that Tesla wants to promote in its cars at all.
 

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My brother owns a P100S (D or S ... I don't recall) and he took me on a ride and demonstrated it's acceleration. After slowing down .... he said "That is ridiculous," and I agree.
He will not let anyone (including me) drive it, but especially valet drivers. He is clearly fearful that a driver unfamiliar with the car would jump in, and propel it into something solid on the other side of the street.

In fact, on the other Tesla forum, I read several writers talking about accidents associated with the acceleration (one I recall ... his foot slipped off the brake and he hit the accelerator).

Since I have not driven such a vehicle, the following may already be be included .... I would think there should be a mode for normal, sensible driving, and another mode (selected by a deliberate selection process) for "ludicrous" driving.
 

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My brother owns a P100S (D or S ... I don't recall)
The 100's have always been dual-motor (BTW, there is no S at the end for any model).
I would think there should be a mode for normal, sensible driving, and another mode (selected by a deliberate selection process) for "ludicrous" driving.
There is. They call it "Sport". It limits acceleration.

In addition, there are "Guest" and "Valet" modes.
Teslarati: An in-depth look at ‘Valet Mode’ for the Tesla Model S