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Discussion in 'Design' started by derotam, Apr 5, 2016.

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  1. derotam

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    Just wondering how durable that pop out door handle will be when someones child decides to hang off of it.
     
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      Derotam,

      Great question! I'm not sure the Tesla Engineers have considered that nor are they really concerned about it. When mine were younger they would have absolutely been doing Rocky style 'pull ups' on them. Now not so much! That said.... You can rest assured Tesla and only Tesla have and will build the utmost strength/quality and durability into these door handles from both a 'useability' and 'longevity' standpoint.

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      I'm more worried about the door not opening when that latch freezes in near zero *F weather.
       
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      That would my worry mostly. Ice build up on door latches is real thing. I'll ask Elon and see if he responds back.
       
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        I've had the handles freeze up on all the cars I've driven, all totally different types of handles (67 Mustang, 00 Cougar, 08 Solstice) and live in a place that hardly gets freezing weather ;)
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        Jaguars have used that design for some time on many of their cars. They seem to be durable enough. However, the biggest difference I've seen with Jaguars versus what we saw with the M3 was that the Jaguar door handles are a bit thicker and not so easy to hang on. In looking at the video, I'd have the same concern about the durability. Now, as for freezing, I travel quite a bit to cold weather states and I can assure that all door handles freeze. And, in the cases where they didn't, the door itself sure did :D
         
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        A friend of mine had a car go through Kindigit design, they added this style of door handle (no idea if it's the same ones, but the design is really close) no issues with durability, but it appears to be an issue for women and nails in his opinion, anyone have any thoughts ?
         
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        The Model S has pop out handles and only once have they frozen on me where they won't pop out and that was when I did something dumb and took my car to a (touchless) car wash in super cold weather. The car was a total sheet of ice. I just banged on them softly until the ice cracked and it was fine after.
         
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        The ones on the M3 are a different popout. The Model S retracts/extends into the car. These are actually more of a button. You push the back of them (causing the front to "pop out") as it's opening. So, rather than pulling the handle, you push them and part of them pop out (similar to the Jaguar image attached).
         
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        I just came across this video of the door handles. Never mind the shape, these were on the older prototype, the final design is the "J" handle.

        I like that they're dampened for a soft-close effect. Those nice Tesla touches ;)

         
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          are you referring specifically to the lever handles or the door itself? passengers slamming my car doors is one of my pet peeves and if Tesla has designed their doors to prevent a slam, I would be happy :D
           
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          @TrevP,

          Now That's one I haven't seen yet! Always nice to uncover new/unseen info.

          @MelindaV,

          I can't speak for Trev but I'm pretty sure he's referring to the "dampening" of the handle as it retracts or closes.
          I Love the damping effect as well......adds a touch of 'sophistication and class' as opposed to the handle just 'snapping' back. Strictly Tesla :)

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          I do like that in the handle - and think it would have less pinched fingers than if it sprung back as soon as you let go or hand slipped

          I think there was a video (maybe the MT at the gigafactory?) where a Tesla employee lightly pressed a door closed and it latched. much less pressure than a typical door latch would need to be fully closed. maybe that's why I immediately jumped to the door over the lever. :)
           
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            My understanding from the Motor Trend Gigafactory visit is that the doors have a solenoid "popper" that unlatches the doors actuated electronically from the door handles. There's no mechanical linkage in them.

            I'm referring to the door handles soft-closing, not the actual doors themselves. Model 3 will not have the Model X self-opening doors etc...
             
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              #15 MelindaV, Jun 21, 2016
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              I think there was some press on this even prior to the MT gigafactory day. I was not questioning how the actual latch was released.
              I would not expect the self-presenting X style doors (which I find a bit silly anyway), but a soft close - similar to a higher quality kitchen drawer glide that prevents a drawer from being slammed but instead stops it before it makes contact then sucks it in the last inch. If I can quickly find the video Im thinking of, I'll link to it.

              ETA: 6:30 into this video is the one I was thinking of. but it was a MT person closing the door, not a Tesla person.
               
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                I know what you mean and I saw the handlers at the reveal event close the doors softly as well. I think they were told to close the doors in that manner because the latch system wasn't finished or up to snuff at that point to handle a casual slam.
                 

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