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Funny how we are all planning on keeping this car forever when most of us have only seen pics... and still not of the spaceship-like interior... !! :p
Elon and his folks are truly amazing!!!
 

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Funny how we are all planning on keeping this car forever when most of us have only seen pics... and still not of the spaceship-like interior... !! :p
Elon and his folks are truly amazing!!!
To be fair... I'm already planning on keeping a few other cars forever too...

Until I can't.

Our last ICE in our hybrid garage is a 2001 BMW X5 that is a low mileage 125k miles... The first 75k were added on in the first four years of ownership... The rest slowed down as gasoline prices increased.

We still have it... ...for sentimental reasons than anything else. Our Model S is around 67k in the first three years of ownership and will surpass the X5's first four year totals.
 

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To be fair... I'm already planning on keeping a few other cars forever too...

Until I can't.

Our last ICE in our hybrid garage is a 2001 BMW X5 that is a low mileage 125k miles... The first 75k were added on in the first four years of ownership... The rest slowed down as gasoline prices increased.

We still have it... ...for sentimental reasons than anything else. Our Model S is around 67k in the first three years of ownership and will surpass the X5's first four year totals.
@AEDennis ... How large is your garage...?! If I remember correctly, you also had a T≡SLA Roadster (which definitely sounds like a keeper...!) plus you've got two Model ≡ reserved... Wow... Not that I cannot relate to the sentimental reasons of keeping the X5... :p Of course mine has 80k miles on it and is a company car so it will definitely go when I go (I.e. retire end of '17) :)
 

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@AEDennis ... How large is your garage...?! If I remember correctly, you also had a T≡SLA Roadster (which definitely sounds like a keeper...!) plus you've got two Model ≡ reserved... Wow... Not that I cannot relate to the sentimental reasons of keeping the X5... :p Of course mine has 80k miles on it and is a company car so it will definitely go when I go (I.e. retire end of '17) :)
The X5 stays outside. The Roadster and S stay in the garage....

This is a picture of our garage when we still had more ICE vehicles...

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The X5 was on the street in this shot, and the Model S and Roadster were on their sides of the garage and plugged in.
 

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The X5 stays outside. The Roadster and S stay in the garage....

This is a picture of our garage when we still had more ICE vehicles...

IMG_5394
by Dennis Pascual, on Flickr

The X5 was on the street in this shot, and the Model S and Roadster were on their sides of the garage and plugged in.
Oh... Wow... True, I had forgotten the Active E!! :) Remind me, is that a true BEV or a hybrid? I think the latter, right?
If you only could take one, which one of them all would you take on a (large) desert island... with fun roads... and electricity?? :):)
 

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Oh... Wow... True, I had forgotten the Active E!! :) Remind me, is that a true BEV or a hybrid? I think the latter, right?
If you only could take one, which one of them all would you take on a (large) desert island... with fun roads... and electricity?? :):)
We've gone off topic and @TrevP or @MelindaV might want to create a if you had your perfect EV thread...

But, it depends on when you ask me. I wrote a post years ago comparing all three cars.

Having spent more time with the Teslas since then. I would say that each one has its own benefits and it is a hard call. I can tell you that the X5 would be the first "to go."...
 

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Hi Mike. Thanks for the kind words. Hope you have a pleasant stay in Houston.
Rick
You're welcome, @RICK M ! You know what is really funny?! I was born in Smyrna..., Turkey! :p
Take care, Mike
P.S. well done on the delete! You might as well also remove post #76 too... :)
 

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Well, @RICK M , I am afraid quite a bit in the back row... :-(... I only put my 1000 (Euros in my case... :)) on Oct. 10 so there are probably around 400-450k (smarter) people ahead of me...
Yet - for once - my patience to see this beautiful racer finally make it to my driveway is a function to the growing interest and passion for all things T≡SLA!!
 

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I would be thrilled to get it as a 2018 Christmas present!!
 

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Thanks, Melinda, and sorry if we git a little carried away on this one, maybe on the back of our enthusiasm... yet isn't 'rogue' a bit severe...? :-(
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Slightly off topic: With modern cars the difficulty is the ever growing number and ever faster overturn of different parts. Making finding a replacement part ever more difficult. Electric components won't last long as NOS (New Old Stock) either. They deteriorate and are very hard to reproduce. So it may be hard to get a 15 yo camera...

For most classic cars from the 50s and 60s you can still find NOS parts who function well after 50 years laying around. And they are reproduced if the demand is high enough.
It's my firm belief that cars from after 1985/1990 never will become classics on the road. Because they will fade away, which is already happening now.
This is not a Tesla problem, but a general problem. It could actually be less of a problem with a 'Tesla classic', since there are less parts...
But hey, that will be my (grand)kids problem - or not, not mine. I will get my Model 3 when I'm 60 or so. Hope to drive one till I die. And keep my 1975 Citroën DS Break20 (Wagon) as my classic (as long as I can get fuel for it).
 

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Slightly off topic: With modern cars the difficulty is the ever growing number and ever faster overturn of different parts. Making finding a replacement part ever more difficult. Electric components won't last long as NOS (New Old Stock) either. They deteriorate and are very hard to reproduce. So it may be hard to get a 15 yo camera...

For most classic cars from the 50s and 60s you can still find NOS parts who function well after 50 years laying around. And they are reproduced if the demand is high enough.
It's my firm belief that cars from after 1985/1990 never will become classics on the road. Because they will fade away, which is already happening now.
This is not a Tesla problem, but a general problem. It could actually be less of a problem with a 'Tesla classic', since there are less parts...
But hey, that will be my (grand)kids problem - or not, not mine. I will get my Model 3 when I'm 60 or so. Hope to drive one till I die. And keep my 1975 Citroën DS Break20 (Wagon) as my classic (as long as I can get fuel for it).
Hahaha, there's that Citroën classic passion coming out ... :) Well, let's see how long this 61 year old retiree can keep his Midnight Silver Model ≡ spaceship and make it a 'modern classic'... :p
 

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Slightly off topic: With modern cars the difficulty is the ever growing number and ever faster overturn of different parts. Making finding a replacement part ever more difficult. Electric components won't last long as NOS (New Old Stock) either. They deteriorate and are very hard to reproduce. So it may be hard to get a 15 yo camera...

For most classic cars from the 50s and 60s you can still find NOS parts who function well after 50 years laying around. And they are reproduced if the demand is high enough.
It's my firm belief that cars from after 1985/1990 never will become classics on the road. Because they will fade away, which is already happening now.
This is not a Tesla problem, but a general problem. It could actually be less of a problem with a 'Tesla classic', since there are less parts...
But hey, that will be my (grand)kids problem - or not, not mine. I will get my Model 3 when I'm 60 or so. Hope to drive one till I die. And keep my 1975 Citroën DS Break20 (Wagon) as my classic (as long as I can get fuel for it).
Hmmm... I sort of think it is the cars just after that, around 1990 through 1995 that won't be classics, really. At least the last years of the 1980s had the Chevrolet El Camino and GMC Caballero before they were canceled. I like the Acura and Honda cars from that time period too. But once the door attached or mouse driven supplemental restraint seat belts became all the rage, it was pretty much over. GM experimented with those horrible ABS systems that were hybridized from drum brakes. The air bag wars started and no one knew where to put the horn (or find it) on a steering wheel. Other than the Acura NSX, Ferrari F355, Ford Probe, Mazda MX-5 Miata, Mazda RX-7 3rd Generation, and Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX/Eagle Talon TSi, most cars from early-to-mid 1990s were rather forgettable.

Still, I get your point. Cars from the 1950s, 1960s, or 1970s when in close to mint or even road condition can pretty much all be 'classics' of a sort. Even if they were and still are considered to be grotesquely ugly vehicles. They don't have to be 'cherried-out' to be appreciated. Meanwhile, cars from the 1980s or 1990s seem to be largely disposable. People might customize, modify, pimp out, or fix them up, but no one is really interested in seeing them 'restored' to their former... ~*ahem*~ 'grace' at all. Where the older cars may still have 'character' with some dings or dents, the later ones are just trash.
 

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It's my firm belief that cars from after 1985/1990 never will become classics on the road. Because they will fade away, which is already happening now.
This is not a Tesla problem, but a general problem. It could actually be less of a problem with a 'Tesla classic', since there are less parts...
Still, I get your point. Cars from the 1950s, 1960s, or 1970s when in close to mint or even road condition can pretty much all be 'classics' of a sort. Even if they were and still are considered to be grotesquely ugly vehicles. They don't have to be 'cherried-out' to be appreciated. Meanwhile, cars from the 1980s or 1990s seem to be largely disposable./QUOTE]
Good discussion, guys. I think that over time the notion of what car has the potential to become a classic will depend on various factors... Availability of replacement parts clearly is a key enabler, and as you say, @MichelT3 , T≡SLA & other true BEVs, should have an advantage here. The other driver could be how uniquely different (or disruptive...;)) a particular car has been on and after launch... in this respect, I'd rate Model ≡ as having a great shot at becoming a classic... At least, I for one intent to make Midnight S≡R≡NITY my first classic!! :)
@Red Sage ... pretty much all Ferrari's are classic from the point they show up... (my Italian blood is boiling at this point... :D). I am afraid I will never be able to afford keeping one as a classic... ;)[/QUOTE]