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    Has anyone seen any information that would lead you to believe that Smart Air Suspension may or may not be available on Model 3? I haven't seen anything one way or another. Just seems to me that if Tesla needs to find ways to keep the car at a given price point, this might be one of the first things to go.

    Not trying to insight a riot here, just curious as to if I missed something along the way.

    Dan
     
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      One of the Alpha cars had SAS. Perhaps it will be an option on all wheel drive cars or bundled with a premium package.
       
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        If they're going to offer it I'd surmise it would be attached to a performance version, like it does with Model S, and would be available until sometime next year.

        That's assuming they do offer it given Tesla has been quite vocal lately about Model 3 having "far less options" than Model S. Elon mentioned they would start driving home that fact over the next few weeks. Not sure what that entails but it seems they want the public to not expect to be able to have any many things to configure on the car as Model S enjoys.

        Again, I just have a feeling the noise I've been told going around internally that the plan is to start with premade configs to get the ramp up as fast as possible and that custom configs would take a backseat for a while. May or may not happen, we'll see
         
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          Personally SAS would be something I would pass on anyway even if it was offered. I know it means a lot to some folks but it would make sense to me if this was one thing that remained an "S" or "X" thing only.

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            With extremely high probability Air Suspension will not be offered for Model 3.
            There were indirect hints from Elon, mostly fitting into "there will be less options" category.

            Air Suspension has NOTHING to do with vehicles performance.
            The main mission of air suspension is to make ride quality way above average.
            And it also allows raised loading capacity and adjustable clearance.
            This is not Model 3-s mission. It also makes vehicle more complex, with air tubing and compressor(s).
            There will be less room for stuff (compressor). There will be less wiring (less in addition to shorter)

            Just saying that direct competitor of Model 3, BMW 3 series, does not offer and has never offered air suspension (40+ years).
            Full air suspension is not even offered to 5-series. BMW knows that it is a gimmick more suitable for luxurious driving comfort (7-series).

            What I would hope would be optional are adjustable dampers (like on bicycles and motorcycles, though manually).
            It takes no extra room, minimal amount of wiring and this one is directly performance driven option (hard suspension setting
            for aggressive driving style, soft suspension for comfort). There is a lot to enhance with software (GPS data for potholes/speed bumps).
             
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              The following Elon tweet seems to confirm that smart air suspension will be included. This is a farily old tweet, so as with AWD, it may not be available on launch day:

               
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                Well, BMW has a solution for countries like this. Option for those countries for BMWs:
                S815A Poor road package

                http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E46-Cabrio/Europe/325Ci-M54/L-N/may2001/browse/front_axle/guide_support_spring_pad_attaching_parts#8144789_14
                part 12 on this schematic is spacer.

                This is the only way. To raise vehicle above the strut with a spacer (15-30mm).
                PS: Some Model S/X users have tried to drive on low/high settings for longer distances,
                which ended with uneven thread wear. Suspension system can be designed so that the
                angle of the wheels doesn't change, but that makes things complicated. It has not been
                done on S/X, it will definitely not be done on Model 3.

                Therefore offering spacers is a) cheaper b) realistic c) keep thread wear even

                Again, we "try to forget" that M3 will be simpler vehicle. Offering

                Premium Sound
                & Subzero weather package
                & FSD
                & EAP
                & Premium Upgrade Package
                & 2 different roofs
                & 4 different wheels
                & 4 different interior options
                & 7 different color options
                & RWD or AWD option
                & Smart Air Suspension
                & High Amperage Charger

                does NOT make it even a slightly more simpler vehicle. Reduce that list by a third.

                PS: did you know that adjusting air suspension to lower or higher value compared to middle will make
                vehicle dampers less effective. If you push it very high and hit a pothole it will be a problem.
                 
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                  I skipped SAS on my Model S and have zero regrets. I've driven loaners with SAS on it and its just a gimmick to me. Definitely would not pay for it on the 3.
                   
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                    Well, AS can make bumps less noticeable. But one should choose exessively large wheels to make it useful. This is why BMW 5-series comes with 17" wheels. Driving comfort baby:cool:
                     
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                    I have probably been the most negative on here regarding the terrible wheel gap on the rear of the release candidates, so here is to hoping they all have Air Suspension and that it's dialed up to the max without load in the car.

                    As an aside, I won't be ordering Air Suspension if it's an option.

                    I'll take the 20s" and the lowest suspension option (from the factory)!
                     
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                    [​IMG]
                    That rear gap looks fixed on this car. We all know Tesla has slight problems with gap consistency.
                     
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                    One word "ghetto"
                     
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                      Another word...hideous, but that's just me.

                      Dan
                       
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                        I've watched and read several reviews of tesla's air suspension. They all say the same thing.

                        Get the air suspension.

                        I'm not saying they are right but.... maybe it's something you need to try for yourself before making that decision .
                         
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                          The repair nightmare on cars with air suspensions from German luxury vehicles not to mention older lincolns has me definitely passing on the option.

                          If it were free I wouldn't order it.

                          I've Drive. Model S models with 19 inch rims and 21 inch rims.

                          Not to redundant but the tires themselves and then the diameter of the rim have a lot to do with ride comfort.

                          I'm not a fan of technology for technologies sake...

                          Now if air suspension did something more notable especially for performance that would be a consideration.

                          Most model S owner I've spoken to said pass n the air suspension option.

                          Now ask them About insane or ludicrious mode and the answer is quite different.
                           
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                            You're not wrong about those vehicles. You can watch the old lincolns low riding down the road..... and it's not on purpose.

                            I was sort of hoping Tesla did what they do best and improved the design so they won't fail as often.
                             
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                              If you follow the club on Twitter, you would have seen this. So it looks like SAS will not be an option on the Model 3, at least not anytime soon.

                               
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                                So just my opinion of course, but smart air suspension is absolutely unnecessary.

                                My dad has a Model S with the standard suspension and the 21" rims and the car drives like a dream.

                                It would be even smoother with 19s and I presume even smoother with Model 3 18s.
                                 
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                                  That's not really indicative of anything. The Premium features box was left blank on the Model 3 column because the final reveal hasn't happened yet. By that same logic there won't be a glass roof nor a pano roof option.

                                  The documentation will be updated after the final reveal has happened.
                                   
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