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    Ok, lots of news about equipment going into Fremont and new paint lines and new stamping press etc... but nothing about Tilburg or a separate factory in Europe...

    So are we expecting Tesla to ship the first set of European cars from the US to us in Europe, or basically no EUropean cars will be made until Tilburg (or a new factory) is equipped?

    I searched the forums and could not find this subject covered...
     
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      #2 Michael Russo, May 10, 2017
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      Great question! Have been thinking about this myself! Don't know much about Tilburg (think the local T≡SLA Owners Club recently visited it, yet, though a member, as reservation holder ;), I did not go). Maybe I can enquire with one of these cars if they heard anything?
      Edited: sent mail to their contact guy! :)

      Have a great Finnish day! :cool:
       
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        Tillburg plant is for final assembly. Finished car bodies and drive trains are sent there to be assembled. This is to get around the tax import situation. In due time Tesla will announce, most likely later this year, plans for new Gigafactories that combine both battery and car manufacturing in China and Europe.
         
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          Yes, Trev, longer term, that's clear, EU to be supplied out of Gigafactory III OR IV... Question I think was whether initial Model ≡ deliveries (thru 2019-20?) would exclusively come from Fremont (IMHO, most likely) or if some could see their final assembly performed in Tilburg... Skeptical that plant has the capacity and the president of the Belgian Club did not know more... :)
           
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            This is exactly what im getting at, if the cars do come straight from Fremont, im pretty sure we will have some kind of import tax lumped ontop of the cost for our model 3's ... really hope not of course!
             
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            Yep. I knew that was your concern & totally share it... just paid €38 import duty for 2 M3OC t-shirts... :eek::eek: Imagine the real thing!! :D
             
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              I found an article in Dutch about the Tilburg facility. In 2015 it was expanded and according to the article (Feb 2017) it is operating at max capacity right now. Which is around 20.000 cars a year apparently (90 cars a day).
               
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                OK thanks, that worries me that all european cars will come from Fremont.... #HelloTaxes...
                 
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                  #9 Arjen Hooft, May 23, 2017
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                  Yes, well....it will be no different than with the Model S and X. So the US Dollar prize will be the prize in Euro's and then you add VAT (if you have to pay VAT when buying an EV; in Norway you don't, in The Netherlands we do...21%)

                  Correction...you suspect all cars will arrive "complete" and not to be reassembled? That would suck...According to some website I found..the import duty on cars is around 10% for the EU:

                  $35000 -> € 35000 + € 3500 (import duty) -> € 38500 *1.21 (VAT in NL) -> € 46500 -> add. costs to get the car on the road is around € 500 for the S and X. So worst case a base Model 3 could cost up to € 47000 ($ 52915 US) in The Netherlands.
                   
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                    Only point I'd make, Arjen, though I agree it is a conservative assumption, is that taking 1 € = 1 $ clearly is not in our advantage...
                    Currently the € is at close to $1.12, which would help a lot... Of course, always said forex may be the only killer variable for me and Model ≡... Ok, that was before I read about the 14 ft3.. :p:p
                     
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                      IF. Its a big word!

                      If the M3 can be delivered in parts to Tilburg and final assembly there before deliveries throughout Europe, we will save a lot of extra import taxes. Just like the MS and MX is now.

                      HOWEVER, all the reports I have read state the Tilburg plant is "at capacity" and that makes me believe the cars will be delivered to Europe finished and ready for delivery, straight from Fremont....

                      we can only wait and see...:cool:
                       

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