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    Hopefully this is helpful to someone. I sure have reconsidered a few things... this is from a conversation with one of the members on my site and his nephew who is a Tesla employee.

    I am a model 3 reservation holder. I talked through the options with my nephew who is a Tesla employee, who ordered last Saturday, and soon to be a model 3 owner the first week of September.

    Key points we came to:

    Standard vs. Long Range

    1. If you are not able to charge at home or work, get the longer range.
    2. If you drive as a part of your job, get the longer range.
    3. If you want the extra performance, get the longer range.
    4. If you want the car as soon as possible, get the longer range.
    5. With the number of superchargers now and even more coming, you do not need the longer range for long distance travel in North America.
    6. Performace is extremely good even in standard range.
    7. 9K is a lot of money for little benefit. Get enhanced autopilot if you have to choose between the two.

    Colors:

    1. Black is the easiest color to match. Hence, it is the cheapest to insure.
    2. Change in color has no effect on drag coefficient. (lol)

    Premium vs. Standard Interior

    1. If you want the car as soon as possible, get the premium interior.
    2. Glass roof, fog lights, fake leather, glass roof, and heated back seats are cool ... but they are all personal preferences.

    18" vs 19" tire

    1. The difference in performance is not noticeable.
    2. Looks and preference are in the eye of the beholder.
    3. You will not be disappointed either way.

    Enhanced Autopilot: Get it.
    Full self-driving: Wait.

    So the big question is when will the $7500 tax credit diminish? 01 Jan 2018 - the 200K car sold, so 01 July 2018 the tax credit diminishes (guessed)

    Bob

    Originally posted here: https://www.meetup.com/MDVolt/messages/boards/thread/51013956
     
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      These are all good factors. I am struggling with this decision as well. I am leaning towards the longer range battery for higher value down the road. And my delivery date is Mar-May 2018 which means that the tax credit would essentially pay for the delta.
       
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        Definitely helpful and I agree with everything you have shared but I have a slightly different opinion on one point. If you've maxed your budget for the car make sure you get things you can't replace later.

        For instance, my budget topped out at $50k and I've stretched it to $51,500 to get what I want.

        I'm taking premium upgrades over autopilot. As much as I want autopilot, I know I can add it later. I can't add the premium package later.
         
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          Yea one thing that was missed is charge times me having a kid this is a good time to have a forced break but I looked at one of our typical drives we do once a year and it would take twice as long based off of 3 different estimators for charge this is the only thing I can't commit on like if I will regret it later and will I do more trips since it's 1/5th the cost?
           
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          Pretty good advice. I don't agree with all of it, but it's reasonable. I do want to take issue with one statement:
          If you are planning to use your Tesla for long distance travel, then you really, really want the larger battery. Sure, you could make it, but you're not going to like taking all of those supercharging breaks. The car with the larger battery will supercharge at a fast rate. That results in fewer breaks, and shorter rest-stop waiting.

          Here's a trip from Pittsburgh to St. Louis in a Model S 60:
          https://www.evtripplanner.com/planner/2-8/?id=bx3knr8s
          Driving Time 9:50
          Charging Time 2:49
          Total Trip Time 12:39

          Same trip, in a Model S P100D:
          https://www.evtripplanner.com/planner/2-8/?id=9fva5u3g
          Driving Time 9:50
          Charging Time 1:04
          Total Trip Time 10:54

          Then there is Murphy's law to contend with. What if one of the supercharging stations is completely occupied? What if combustion vehicles are blocking them? I went to the Cranberry Supercharger once to take a look, and a truck w. trailer had parked across every single stall. What if the supercharging station is simply down? It has happened. Now, do you have the range to make it to the *next* station on your route?
           
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              I was hoping the standard battery range would 250-265 miles, now that I have seen the prices I going to stick with the standard option, black don't need to pay $1,000 for a another paint color, no auto pilot at this time, 18 inch wheels. I am hoping within three years that auto pilot price will come down and the extended range will come down too because I believe to get the extended range is a software upgrade.
               
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              To be the devil's advocate, is 2 hours of time worth $9,000? (Assuming your time was worth $35/hour, your break even point would be 257 hours of supercharging)

              I'm on the fence with others here. One of my yearly trips is Phoenix - Telluride (the last leg would be tight with the smaller battery). I also tend to keep my cars for >100,000 miles. With 5%-10% battery degradation, would that trip still be possible on the SuperCharger network? (Most likely if they add some more superchargers in the route, probably not if they don't) However, I can always stop somewhere for Level 2 charging and eat a meal or something to bridge the gap.

              I come back to my original premise, Is it worth $9,000 for my personal piece of mind :(

              First world problem I guess.
               
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                Hardcore route planner. Takes you on some scary looking forest roads :)
                 
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                These are all great points and I just wanted to open up a conversation because I as well am wrestling with choices. Based on my driving style and tendency to not take the quickest highways, I'm sure I can stretch the range in moderate climates. I feel though my order ticket will be based on how I feel that day, so everything is still in play.

                That being said, if you have never driven a Tesla or used Autopilot, I highly recommend you rent one for a day or weekend. I rented this one in 2016 from a guy in Takoma Park Maryland. Really nice guy and very good overview before you head out. Pricing is not outrageous, although you might want to add insurance.

                http://emotion.rentals/

                One of the points above too: If you can't charge at home get the longer range - well, if you are renting an apartment or condo, perhaps $9,000 would be a big deal for you.
                 
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                When that e-mail comes from Tesla saying that I can order the long range with premium upgrades or wait 3 months.....
                 
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                  Extended range will not be a software update. It's a bigger battery in the car and cannot be added after the fact.
                   
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                    I think that’s the same I tried for a local 300 round trip and added a second stop to force it to go thru another SC and instead of doing that it went thru all of the Midwest and turned around somewhere around Kentucky before hitting that extra SC I added. So instead of adding something like 15 miles extra it added over 4000 extra... not sure I’d mut much faith into it.
                     
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                    you beat me to it !
                     
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                      Let alone the standard weighs significantly less than the long range...
                       
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                        I've been going back and forth on this also.
                        Right now I take about 6 semi long road trips (usually in the state) I go to my best friends house a few times and I do a long drive to my parents in Maryland from Florida as well as other long trips. I'm thinking this is not only time but that piece of mind. I also am curious if the rebate will expire (even though I was 4th in line) this could happen. and if it does would I regret not getting the bigger battery later? since I can't decide this is why I haven't chosen an option on the model 3 reservation check page I am not sure if it really makes a difference and you can change it later but I am hesitant.
                         
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                        I’ve clicked the save button (and it acknowledges it saved) probably 3 times and each time I open that screen again it asks if I want to save an option. I think it’s probalby as much of a commitment as the little games google puts up on their front page every now and then, and for the same reason - to make us feel like we’ve accomplished something ;)
                         
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                          completely disagree with employee-
                          skip AP for now and get it later if stretched thin. You don't need it now and can buy it later and works almost instantly.
                          Get the big battery not matter what. You'll be glad 5yrs from now that you did.
                          Just my opinion.
                          You really get nothing with AP. Nothing hardware wise. The software will only get better with time and that is when you get it.
                           
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                            I think you do get something with AP not with the Self-driving if that is what you are referring too? or do you mean ap is crap? i thought it was fantastic.

                            Yeah I'm thinking the same I plan on having this car for years that's how I've been with every car honestly. I just see the payment amount and my eyes get wide.. lol
                             
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                            You get nothing with AP.. all the hardware is in the base model. You just get AP activated which you can do at any time.
                             

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