1. Tesla Model 3 apparel now available!


    Father's day is coming! Get something special for dad. Use coupon code "fathersday" for 10% off anything in our shop


    Dismiss Notice
  2. A meet-up for Model 3 Reservation Holders in Fremont?!

    Please visit the link below and help us make it happen.
    Model 3 Reservation Holders Fremont Meet-up Thread
  3. @TrevP will be attending the VIP Tesla event June 2 and get a private viewing of the Model 3. If you'd like to make a small donation to cover the flight and accommodations cost you can do it here via PayPal:
    Donate Now!
    Thanks for your support!
    Dismiss Notice

Tesla Model 3 to have a real competitor in upcoming all-electric BMW 3 Series

Discussion in 'News from Electrek.co' started by RSSFeed, Jul 13, 2016.

More threads by RSSFeed
  1. RSSFeed

    M3OC RSS Bot
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2016
    Messages:
    2,221
    Likes Received:
    169
    Trophy Points:
    1
    [​IMG]

    As we’ve often discussed before, the Chevy Bolt EV is often presented at the first real competitor to the Tesla Model 3 simply because they have a similar range – over 200 miles – and similar sticker prices – starting at $37,500 for the Bolt and $35,000 for the Model 3, but it’s really not that simple.

    While priced like one, the Bolt EV is not a mid-sized luxury vehicle. If it wasn’t electric, it would be similar to Chevrolet’s Sonic, which is priced $15,000 cheaper. On the other hand, Tesla’s Model 3 is being marketed as a mid-sized sport/luxury vehicle and certainly looks more like one than the Bolt – which is more of a utility hatchback. Prior to its unveiling, Tesla CEO Elon Musk often talked about the BMW 3 Series as a reference for competition to the Model 3. That recently switched to the Audi A3.

    Now it looks like the Model 3 will actually have to compete with an all-electric version of the BMW 3 Series. The vehicle could be introduced with the next generation 2018 models, but the all-electric version is expected later. more…

    Filed under: BMW, Cars, Tesla Tagged: 2018, 3 series, BMW, BMW 3 Series, bmw 3 series 2018, electric 3 series, electric bmw 3 series 2018, Model 3, Tesla, Tesla Model 3 [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG][​IMG]

    Continue reading...
     
  2. Blackout

    Active Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2016
    Messages:
    141
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    City & State/Province:
    Toronto, ON
    Country:
    Country
    If BMW can get a 3 series all electric doing 200 miles....and is performant too...hmmm then Tesla needs to step up their game in the look department...(especially with the controversial front of the car...), and deliveries...
    Because, not only BMW already have the brand, and marketing to attract more buyer, but in my opinion, a 3 series looks better than a Model 3...
    I would still choose tesla as the look is not the only reason why I'm buying this car...but not sure about other new owners buying their first electric car...
     
  3. garsh

    Dis Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Messages:
    1,266
    Likes Received:
    728
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    City & State/Province:
    Pittsburgh PA
    Country:
    Country
    No other car company has committed to any sort of fast-charging network like Tesla has, and that's a HUGE differentiator.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Blackout

      Active Member
      Expand Collapse

      Joined:
      Apr 24, 2016
      Messages:
      141
      Likes Received:
      30
      Trophy Points:
      28
      Gender:
      Male
      City & State/Province:
      Toronto, ON
      Country:
      Country
      True...and that will make a significant difference especially to people who do long travel, often...however most people who buy electric cars do mostly city driving...I assume that Tesla charger will always be using only for tesla cars but what if one day someone comes up with an adapter allowing other cars to connect to it then it could be another story...Tesla claims that their mission is to accelerate the transition to electric vehicle, as well as they are happy for their competitors, It wouldn't really help their mission...so it wouldn't be surprising if we see in the future tesla allowing other cars using their charging system through an adapter...
       
    • garsh

      Dis Member
      Expand Collapse

      Joined:
      Apr 4, 2016
      Messages:
      1,266
      Likes Received:
      728
      Trophy Points:
      113
      Gender:
      Male
      City & State/Province:
      Pittsburgh PA
      Country:
      Country
      I completely disagree.

      Most people travel mostly within 200 miles of home. But those same people will travel farther than that once or twice a year. An electric car with 300-mile range will not appeal to these people if they can't use it for these longer excursions. They don't make these trips often, but when they do, they don't want to rent a car, they want to use the car they bought. An electrified BMW 3-series isn't going to even be considered.
       
    • Topher

      Well-Known Member
      Expand Collapse

      Joined:
      May 11, 2016
      Messages:
      384
      Likes Received:
      126
      Trophy Points:
      43
      City & State/Province:
      Maine
      Country:
      Country
      I feel the exact opposite. The clean lines of the ≡ beat the old fashioned grill on the BMW.

      No one can make an adapter which allows use without Tesla's permission. On the other hand, Tesla has already offered to share its Supercharger network with other car makers (with conditions, of course).

      Thank you kindly.
       
    • MelindaV

      ☰ > 3
      Moderator
      Expand Collapse

      Joined:
      Apr 2, 2016
      Messages:
      1,611
      Likes Received:
      940
      Trophy Points:
      113
      Gender:
      Female
      City & State/Province:
      Vancouver, WA
      Country:
      Country
      I believe, and could be wrong, that the Superchargers acknowledge the specific car that it is charging - so unless that hacked adapter came with a way to trick the SC into thinking it's someones specific Tesla with SC access, I don't think it's possible.
       
    • Gary Moore

      Active Member
      Expand Collapse

      Joined:
      Apr 10, 2016
      Messages:
      150
      Likes Received:
      101
      Trophy Points:
      43
      Gender:
      Male
      City & State/Province:
      Mountain House, CA
      Country:
      Country
      Sure, but will "Hot Pursuit" mode be made available in this series? Maybe all of that archaic-looking air-intake work done up front is somehow functional, in order to stoke the amazing fires.
       
      • Funny Funny x 1
      • Badbot

        Active Member
        Expand Collapse

        Joined:
        May 25, 2016
        Messages:
        38
        Likes Received:
        15
        Trophy Points:
        8
        Gender:
        Male
        City & State/Province:
        Apple valley, ca
        Well the beemer might be a contender but not until 2020 when it expects to start shipping them 1 or 2 years after the 3's ship.
         
      • BigBri

        Top-Contributor
        Expand Collapse

        Joined:
        Jul 16, 2016
        Messages:
        428
        Likes Received:
        304
        Trophy Points:
        63
        Gender:
        Male
        City & State/Province:
        Toronto, Ontario
        Country:
        Country
        Really no matter what there won't be enough batteries for a higher volume car until the Gigafactory is at or near capacity. If another manufacturer had a compelling electric that I liked more I'd go with it but I highly doubt we'll see that.
         
      • Curtish8892

        Active Member
        Expand Collapse

        Joined:
        Apr 24, 2016
        Messages:
        39
        Likes Received:
        8
        Trophy Points:
        8
        Gender:
        Male
        City & State/Province:
        Toronto, Canada
        I do not get it. Tesla has to build a giga factory to produce enough batteries to power it's Model 3. Where are all these other OEMs (GM, BMW, Nissan, Ford.......) going to get their batteries?

        If any of their future Tesla killers gain any kind of traction, they will have to buy their batteries from Tesla.

        I do not believe they have any real plan of producing a mass market long range electric. All they are doing is lip service and then sell their current models once they get the people in the doors of the dealer.
         
        • Agree Agree x 3
        • garsh

          Dis Member
          Expand Collapse

          Joined:
          Apr 4, 2016
          Messages:
          1,266
          Likes Received:
          728
          Trophy Points:
          113
          Gender:
          Male
          City & State/Province:
          Pittsburgh PA
          Country:
          Country
          That's a great question. I think the first part of the answer is that none of these other companies are planning to sell 300,000 electric cars. Even though Nissan (Leaf) and GM (Volt and Bolt) are both doing a lot more than "lip service" when it comes to producing electric cars, neither one has committed to it to the same degree as Tesla. They'll continue to work with OEM partners like LG Chem to source their batteries.

          But don't worry. Those existing battery manufacturers are seeing what Tesla/Panasonic are doing, and they're also beginning to ramp up their manufacturing capability.
          http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/23/byd-gigafactory-to-be-worlds-2nd-battery-gigafactory/
           
        • BigBri

          Top-Contributor
          Expand Collapse

          Joined:
          Jul 16, 2016
          Messages:
          428
          Likes Received:
          304
          Trophy Points:
          63
          Gender:
          Male
          City & State/Province:
          Toronto, Ontario
          Country:
          Country
          We all know Tesla is the first real company to take electric cars seriously so changes are we won't get anything comparable until the Model3 has been out for quite awhile. We'll hear a lot of nonsense between now and then. Most of the car companies don't take electrics seriously at all and are in for a rude awakening. Look at the Leaf for example, the aesthetics alone turn most people off. The big ICE companies think electric is a fad that only millennials going to college want.
           
        • Dan Detweiler

          Top-Contributor
          Expand Collapse

          Joined:
          Apr 8, 2016
          Messages:
          696
          Likes Received:
          409
          Trophy Points:
          63
          Gender:
          Male
          City & State/Province:
          Canton, Georgia
          Country:
          Country
          What are the chances that these other companies start buying battery packs from Tesla in the future? It's pretty obvious that nobody will be able to make them cheaper and they are here in the US.

          Dan
           
        • BigBri

          Top-Contributor
          Expand Collapse

          Joined:
          Jul 16, 2016
          Messages:
          428
          Likes Received:
          304
          Trophy Points:
          63
          Gender:
          Male
          City & State/Province:
          Toronto, Ontario
          Country:
          Country
          Many will probably. Especially if they build more gigafactories.
           
        • Jayc

          Active Member
          Expand Collapse

          Joined:
          May 19, 2016
          Messages:
          161
          Likes Received:
          40
          Trophy Points:
          28
          City & State/Province:
          UK
          Country:
          Country
          #16 Jayc, Aug 1, 2016
          Last edited: Aug 1, 2016
          I very much doubt BMW 3-series EV will pose a challenge to Tesla. There are a few fundamental things most ICE car companies just fail to grasp.

          1. They are too dependant on ICE income to have the will or drive to do a better car so their EV projects have failed even before they start.

          2. No chance BMW 3-series looks better than a Tesla Model 3. If you think so you haven't really got Tesla's design uniqueness.

          3. Tesla learnt a long time ago that you just cannot do an ICE beating EV on a shared platform taken from an existing ICE.

          4. Tesla learnt a long time ago that ground up "design for EV" gives unique advantages and degrees of freedom not available otherwise.

          5. The whole gigafactory business case was conceived long before any other company could imagine or justify that scale.

          6. Won't even go into the supercharger advantage, others have already covered it well

          7. Haven't come across any other serious car company with a long-term EV vision credible enough to be a threat. You just cannot wake up one fine day with an EV dream and claim to challenge Tesla.

          8. IMO if ever there is to be a worthy challenger, it is not going to come from traditional car company but another startup or established tech giant
           
          • Agree Agree x 1
          • MelindaV

            ☰ > 3
            Moderator
            Expand Collapse

            Joined:
            Apr 2, 2016
            Messages:
            1,611
            Likes Received:
            940
            Trophy Points:
            113
            Gender:
            Female
            City & State/Province:
            Vancouver, WA
            Country:
            Country
            to add - look at the current 3 series hybrid price. It starts at $43,700, more than $10,000 over the traditional 3 series. I would not be surprised if a full EV would be another $10k+
             
            • Like Like x 1

            Share This Page

            Model 3 Owners Club © 2017. All rights reserved.
            Model 3 Owners Club (M3OC) is an enthusiast club and is not affiliated with Tesla Motors or the Tesla Motors Club Forum (TMC).
            All Tesla logos are trademarks or registered trademarks of Tesla Motors.