Tesla Model 3 to have a real competitor in upcoming all-electric BMW 3 Series

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As we’ve often discussed before, the Chevy Bolt EV is often presented at the first real competitor to the Tesla Model 3 simply because they have a similar range – over 200 miles – and similar sticker prices – starting at $37,500 for the Bolt and $35,000 for the Model 3, but it’s really not that simple.

While priced like one, the Bolt EV is not a mid-sized luxury vehicle. If it wasn’t electric, it would be similar to Chevrolet’s Sonic, which is priced $15,000 cheaper. On the other hand, Tesla’s Model 3 is being marketed as a mid-sized sport/luxury vehicle and certainly looks more like one than the Bolt – which is more of a utility hatchback. Prior to its unveiling, Tesla CEO Elon Musk often talked about the BMW 3 Series as a reference for competition to the Model 3. That recently switched to the Audi A3.

Now it looks like the Model 3 will actually have to compete with an all-electric version of the BMW 3 Series. The vehicle could be introduced with the next generation 2018 models, but the all-electric version is expected later. more…

Filed under: BMW, Cars, Tesla Tagged: 2018, 3 series, BMW, BMW 3 Series, bmw 3 series 2018, electric 3 series, electric bmw 3 series 2018, Model 3, Tesla, Tesla Model 3


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If BMW can get a 3 series all electric doing 200 miles....and is performant too...hmmm then Tesla needs to step up their game in the look department...(especially with the controversial front of the car...), and deliveries...
Because, not only BMW already have the brand, and marketing to attract more buyer, but in my opinion, a 3 series looks better than a Model 3...
I would still choose tesla as the look is not the only reason why I'm buying this car...but not sure about other new owners buying their first electric car...
 

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No other car company has committed to any sort of fast-charging network like Tesla has, and that's a HUGE differentiator.
 

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No other car company has committed to any sort of fast-charging network like Tesla has, and that's a HUGE differentiator.
True...and that will make a significant difference especially to people who do long travel, often...however most people who buy electric cars do mostly city driving...I assume that Tesla charger will always be using only for tesla cars but what if one day someone comes up with an adapter allowing other cars to connect to it then it could be another story...Tesla claims that their mission is to accelerate the transition to electric vehicle, as well as they are happy for their competitors, It wouldn't really help their mission...so it wouldn't be surprising if we see in the future tesla allowing other cars using their charging system through an adapter...
 

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True...and that will make a significant difference especially to people who do long travel, often...
I completely disagree.

Most people travel mostly within 200 miles of home. But those same people will travel farther than that once or twice a year. An electric car with 300-mile range will not appeal to these people if they can't use it for these longer excursions. They don't make these trips often, but when they do, they don't want to rent a car, they want to use the car they bought. An electrified BMW 3-series isn't going to even be considered.
 

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but in my opinion, a 3 series looks better than a Model 3...
I feel the exact opposite. The clean lines of the ≡ beat the old fashioned grill on the BMW.

.I assume that Tesla charger will always be using only for tesla cars but what if one day someone comes up with an adapter allowing other cars to connect to it then it could be another story.
No one can make an adapter which allows use without Tesla's permission. On the other hand, Tesla has already offered to share its Supercharger network with other car makers (with conditions, of course).

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No one can make an adapter which allows use without Tesla's permission. On the other hand, Tesla has already offered to share its Supercharger network with other car makers (with conditions, of course).

Thank you kindly.
I believe, and could be wrong, that the Superchargers acknowledge the specific car that it is charging - so unless that hacked adapter came with a way to trick the SC into thinking it's someones specific Tesla with SC access, I don't think it's possible.
 

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Sure, but will "Hot Pursuit" mode be made available in this series? Maybe all of that archaic-looking air-intake work done up front is somehow functional, in order to stoke the amazing fires.
 

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Well the beemer might be a contender but not until 2020 when it expects to start shipping them 1 or 2 years after the 3's ship.
 

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Really no matter what there won't be enough batteries for a higher volume car until the Gigafactory is at or near capacity. If another manufacturer had a compelling electric that I liked more I'd go with it but I highly doubt we'll see that.
 

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I do not get it. Tesla has to build a giga factory to produce enough batteries to power it's Model 3. Where are all these other OEMs (GM, BMW, Nissan, Ford.......) going to get their batteries?

If any of their future Tesla killers gain any kind of traction, they will have to buy their batteries from Tesla.

I do not believe they have any real plan of producing a mass market long range electric. All they are doing is lip service and then sell their current models once they get the people in the doors of the dealer.
 

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I do not get it. Tesla has to build a giga factory to produce enough batteries to power it's Model 3. Where are all these other OEMs (GM, BMW, Nissan, Ford.......) going to get their batteries?
That's a great question. I think the first part of the answer is that none of these other companies are planning to sell 300,000 electric cars. Even though Nissan (Leaf) and GM (Volt and Bolt) are both doing a lot more than "lip service" when it comes to producing electric cars, neither one has committed to it to the same degree as Tesla. They'll continue to work with OEM partners like LG Chem to source their batteries.

But don't worry. Those existing battery manufacturers are seeing what Tesla/Panasonic are doing, and they're also beginning to ramp up their manufacturing capability.
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/23/byd-gigafactory-to-be-worlds-2nd-battery-gigafactory/
 

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We all know Tesla is the first real company to take electric cars seriously so changes are we won't get anything comparable until the Model3 has been out for quite awhile. We'll hear a lot of nonsense between now and then. Most of the car companies don't take electrics seriously at all and are in for a rude awakening. Look at the Leaf for example, the aesthetics alone turn most people off. The big ICE companies think electric is a fad that only millennials going to college want.
 

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What are the chances that these other companies start buying battery packs from Tesla in the future? It's pretty obvious that nobody will be able to make them cheaper and they are here in the US.

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What are the chances that these other companies start buying battery packs from Tesla in the future? It's pretty obvious that nobody will be able to make them cheaper and they are here in the US.

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Many will probably. Especially if they build more gigafactories.
 

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I very much doubt BMW 3-series EV will pose a challenge to Tesla. There are a few fundamental things most ICE car companies just fail to grasp.

1. They are too dependant on ICE income to have the will or drive to do a better car so their EV projects have failed even before they start.

2. No chance BMW 3-series looks better than a Tesla Model 3. If you think so you haven't really got Tesla's design uniqueness.

3. Tesla learnt a long time ago that you just cannot do an ICE beating EV on a shared platform taken from an existing ICE.

4. Tesla learnt a long time ago that ground up "design for EV" gives unique advantages and degrees of freedom not available otherwise.

5. The whole gigafactory business case was conceived long before any other company could imagine or justify that scale.

6. Won't even go into the supercharger advantage, others have already covered it well

7. Haven't come across any other serious car company with a long-term EV vision credible enough to be a threat. You just cannot wake up one fine day with an EV dream and claim to challenge Tesla.

8. IMO if ever there is to be a worthy challenger, it is not going to come from traditional car company but another startup or established tech giant
 
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to add - look at the current 3 series hybrid price. It starts at $43,700, more than $10,000 over the traditional 3 series. I would not be surprised if a full EV would be another $10k+