Tesla not allowing Taxis, Commercial & Municipal Teslas to use SCs

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From Bloomberg:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...axi-uber-drivers-not-to-use-its-superchargers
From Tesla:
https://www.tesla.com/about/legal?#supercharger-fair-use

Starting tomorrow, Tesla will not be allowing newly purchased (new or used) Teslas that will be used as Taxis (Ubers, Lyft, etc) to use Superchargers. Also included are delivery cars and government vehicles (a few police departments globally use Teslas). I understand the need to keep SC open for others but I can't really see how Teslas used for these high mileage purposes could possibly charge on a Level 2 charger and still drive the miles that they do. Perhaps if Tesla changed their policy to billing professional drivers a fee instead of banning them from SC?

edit: clarified that Teslas purchased after 12/15/17 are affected.
 
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From Bloomberg:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...axi-uber-drivers-not-to-use-its-superchargers
From Tesla:
https://www.tesla.com/about/legal?#supercharger-fair-use

Starting tomorrow, Tesla is not allowing Taxis, Ubers, Lyft to use Superchargers. Also included are delivery cars and government vehicles (a few police departments globally use Teslas). I understand the need to keep SC open for others but I can't really see how Teslas used for these high mileage purposes could possibly charge on a Level 2 charger and still drive the miles that they do. Perhaps if Tesla changed their policy to billing professional drivers a fee instead of banning them from SC?
I believe this just impacts cars sold going forward. I don’t 100% agree with it — I think the issue is people idling at the SC not that a lot of people use them. If that was the issue they’d stop giving away free unlimited supercharging after all :eek:
 

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That's a little vague. They're not enforcing this on everyone tomorrow. All cars sold starting tomorrow will be subject to this new policy. Older cars are grandfathered in (unless sold to a new owner) and can use/abuse the superchargers all they want.

This Policy applies to all Superchargers worldwide and all Tesla vehicles purchased, either new or used, whether from Tesla or a third party, after December 15, 2017.
 

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That's a little vague. They're not enforcing this on everyone tomorrow. All cars sold starting tomorrow will be subject to this new policy. Older cars are grandfathered in (unless sold to a new owner) and can use/abuse the superchargers all they want.

This Policy applies to all Superchargers worldwide and all Tesla vehicles purchased, either new or used, whether from Tesla or a third party, after December 15, 2017.
You're right. OP edited.
 

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it also applies to any commercial use like courier (like Bjorn), municipalities, etcs,more than just the rideshare and taxis.
Yep. It was in my OP but I updated the thread title. I feel special that my first 3 responses were from the Mods....I've been schooled....:(
 

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Chin up! We only found out about this because you posted it! :)
I'm kidding. I usually hold myself up to a higher post standard. Useful, Informative, or Funny. Plus should be accurate. I got sloppy this time. I deserve a little spanking but not Matt Lauer style.
 

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The most interesting part is this section:
This Policy applies to all Superchargers worldwide and all Tesla vehicles purchased, either new or used, whether from Tesla or a third party, after December 15, 2017.
In other words, if you have a Model S with free Supercharging attached to the car, you can continue using it commercially but if you sell it to somebody else, that person can't use it commercially. This applies to older Model S cars like 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 models too. At that time free supercharging was always attached to the car and not the owner. Therefore Tesla is walking back on what they promised.

I think the reason is Urbanchargers. In many cities there is a huge demand for Urbanchargers because some people can't charge at home. Tesla will have to build lots of Urbanchargers in cities for the Model 3. The problem is, people living in those cities could purchase older Model S cars and start driving them for Uber while making use of free supercharging. The new policy is aiming to prevent this. Instead of this solution, they could have differentiated between Superchargers and Urbanchargers and made Urbanchargers pay per use for all cars.

Another interesting detail is that the policy prevents commercial use even under the pay per use system. Model S/X cars sold after 31 Jan 2018 will have pay per use but they can't be used for Uber. This whole situation is too messy and a car company dictating what you can or can't do with your car is too restrictive.

Tesla has made mistake after mistake on this issue.
  • They should have never offered free supercharging. It should have been pay per use from the beginning.
  • They waited too long to cancel free supercharging. On 31st Jan 2018, 304,000 Teslas will have free Supercharging.
  • Instead of unlimited free supercharging for life, it should have been for 8 years and then pay per use.
  • Urbanchargers should be a different category and pay per use only for all Teslas.
  • Commercial use should be allowed under pay per use.
 
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The most interesting part is this section:


In other words, if you have a Model S with free Supercharging attached to the car, you can continue using it commercially but if you sell it to somebody else, that person can't use it commercially. This applies to older Model S cars like 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 models too. At that time free supercharging was always attached to the car and not the owner. Therefore Tesla is walking back on what they promised.

I think the reason is Urbanchargers. In many cities there is a huge demand for Urbanchargers because some people can't charge at home. Tesla will have to build lots of Urbanchargers in cities for the Model 3. The problem is, people living in those cities could purchase older Model S cars and start driving them for Uber while making use of free supercharging. The new policy is aiming to prevent this. Instead of this solution, they could have differentiated between Superchargers and Urbanchargers and made Urbanchargers pay per use for all cars.

Another interesting detail is that the policy prevents commercial use even under the pay per use system. Model S/X cars sold after 31 Jan 2018 will have pay per use but they can't be used for Uber. This whole situation is too messy and a car company dictating what you can or can't do with your car is too restrictive.

Tesla has made mistake after mistake on this issue.
  • They should have never offered free supercharging. It should have been pay per use from the beginning.
  • They waited too long to cancel free supercharging. On 31st Jan 2018, 304,000 Teslas will have free Supercharging.
  • Instead of unlimited free supercharging for life, it should have been for 8 years and then pay per use.
  • Urbanchargers should be a different category and pay per use only for all Teslas.
  • Commercial use should be allowed under pay per use.
And it will get more complicated as FSD becomes available. Will they allow Tesla ride share vehicles to supercharge for free or for fee or not at all? Will anyone aside from Superchargers have robotic ability to Supercharge without human assistance?

Changes to the Supercharger rules appear to be happening more frequent than OTA updates!
 

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This seems pretty reasonable to me. What would make this much more reasonable is if Tesla was willing to sell private companies superchargers for their business. I realize this would be an expensive investment, but it could be reasonable for company fleets with commercial benefits.
 

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