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Understanding the fatal Tesla accident on Autopilot and the NHTSA probe

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    The first reported death in a Tesla Model S crash while the Autopilot was activated has been shaking the Tesla and self-driving car community since yesterday. The tragic accident happened May 7th in Florida, but we only learned about it yesterday when Tesla revealed that the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) launched preliminary evaluation in Tesla’s Autopilot system.

    We don’t pretend to know everything about the accident, but based on the information released by the Florida Highway Patrol, Tesla and NHTSA, we try to convey our best understanding of the events and the possible impact of the regulator’s probe on the Autopilot. more…

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    #2 Jayc, Jul 1, 2016
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    The radar detector should be capable of at least detecting a moving overhead object vs a static one. Also the main problem here would be the inability to have detected barrier height and determine whether or not it was sufficient to go through safely. That is because in reality you want the radar to pick up if e.g. a road sign ends up leaning over due to whatever reason to within striking height of car, you would expect AP to act on it.

    Not suggesting AP is at fault in this case but there is definitely room for improvement. Bottom line is that until AP advances from beta state, it is the responsibility of owners to use it only as a driver aid.
     
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    #3 Paul Spiers, Jul 3, 2016
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    The discussion has been primarily about the technology failing to prevent the accident. However, the driver is ultimately responsible for the control of the vehicle. The following article has a very interesting quote from a professor of engineering at the University of Michigan.

    "The expectation of Tesla is that the driver is alert and vigilant, ready to take over at a moment’s notice. In practice, however, we see that humans quickly become bored and place too much trust in the system. People let down their guard and are not attentive and ready to take over.” (The Detroit Free Press, quoting Ryan Eustice, who is a professor of engineering at the University of Michigan and is connected to the Toyota Research Institute focusing on autonomous transportation.)"

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...-to-tesla-model-s-self-driving-mode-fatality/

    This is not to say that the technology doesn't need to improve but, to recognise that in the meantime humans are the primary emergency back up system.
     
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    The (current) long range radar goes to 16 ft. This is why it is intended to cover rear end collisions, but not cross traffic. Detecting an object you have been following stop at 16 feet is practicle. Reacting within 16 feet for crossing traffic from freeway speed is not. This is why it is said to only be capable of freeway driving and not surface or highways with cross traffic. Beyond 16 ft there is the forward camera, but it's not judging distances
     

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