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    This one may sound a little dumb and/or inane, but.......

    How long does it typically take from order to delivery at your house?

    I'm trying to time it around a vacation and want to make sure I'm home, without leaving a box labeled Tesla sitting on my steps for a week.......


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    mine was under a week - but on the west coast probably helped that.
     
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    Cool. Thanks.


    Next up: I'm searching for an antique gas pump that I can alter. I just want the cabinet, so I can mount my Wall Connector inside and feed the hose through where the gas hose would have gone.

    They're expensive though. :(
     
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    That's a cool idea.
     
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    Whenever I've ordered items from Tesla that are above a certain amount, they always need a signature...Seems like both of those shipments to me have been at FedEx waiting for me, since I work during the day when delivery was attempted. It doesn't take long for the shipment to arrive from Tesla after ordering, but I am just a few hundred miles away...
     
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    Thanks for the input.

    I've ordered it already. It may seem somewhat premature, but I want some time to explore my options for installation. It will be outdoors, on the corner of my house. Getting the 48A breaker (to handle 40A load...US electrical code) won't be a problem. But as I alluded to above, I want to do something similar to this:

    get one of these cabinets, and remove all the "guts", restore the finish of the cabinet, mount the wall connector inside, and feed the cord out through where the gas hose and nozzle would normally go. then, add Tesla logo and branding to it.

    Sadly, even the pump in this picture, in its current condition, is $1,000........

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    @Tesla2ElectricBoogaloo I absolutely love your idea of using an old gas pump! Although I think there is no need to restore the finish, that old worn paint looks amazing
     
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    I was thinking that too, but I was also thinking of restoring the finish and painting it multicoat red to match the car/Tesla's branding.
     
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    And so it begins.....


    FYI, East Coasters......19 days between ordering it and delivery.


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    Looks a bit like it was taken out of Fallout 4 :).
     
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    @JWardell You had mentioned wanting a lockable mounting solution. While looking today, I came across this:

    http://www.galco.com/buy/Integra/H161407HLL


    the dimensions are a fit. You'd need to cut a small hole in the bottom for the wiring conduit, but that's not too big a deal. It's a rugged plastic box with a lockable latch. Worth looking into, maybe.
     
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    #12 Brokedoc, Aug 24, 2017
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    Neat Idea but I think buying an authentic vintage gas pump would be complete overkill and you would basically destroy the collectable value of the pump by gutting it and repainting it with Tesla logos. Plus, the wall charger is much smaller than the vintage pump and I can't really see how it would be mounted inside of the much larger gas pump cabinet.

    You might otherwise consider something like this that is about 40 inches tall and much cheaper and would achieve a similar effect but with better proportions to the Tesla Wall Charger. Or else, you could easily fashion a round Tesla sign and make your own cabinet out of half of a barrel or something.

    ***EDIT*** - I would also suggest you consider increasing the size of your circuit breaker as the wall charger has the ability to daisy chain or charge at a faster rate. The incremental cost in installing a larger circuit breaker and wiring is minimal and would allow you to have higher charging capability for any other future EV models.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/MORGAN-CYCL...312233?hash=item3acf7f08e9:g:T-AAAOSwtFtZhY3T
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    Collectibles only have value to those collecting them. I'd be buying it for it's "artistic" value. ;)


    Honestly though, I'm probably leaning more towards the box solution I linked to above. I can get a hold of some red acrylic paint and a vinyl Tesla decal pretty easily.
     
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    If you want to use the box, it kinda resembles a Powerwall 2. To give it a futuristic look, you can mount a lumin plasma display above it(ala Star Trek Borg Charger)

    Tesla-Powerwall-2-02.jpg

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    Update:

    I've decided to go a more cost-effective route. Instead of the antique gas pump, which would have been a cool idea, I've purchased this:

    http://www.galco.com/buy/Integra/H161407HLL

    I've tracked down a spray paint purpose-made for plastic applications, so my plan is to take the door off, scuff it up lightly, and paint it red, then find a white Tesla logo decal.

    I'll need to get a hole saw and cut a hole for the 1" wire conduit that will come up through the bottom.


    When I get the box and get ready for the install, I'll start a separate thread.
     
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    @Tesla2ElectricBoogaloo Too bad about the gas pump falling through, but your alternative solution will look pretty slick as well (especially if the enclosure's paint matches the MCR on your car).

    Out of curiosity -- and I apologize if you've already addressed this in a different thread -- what factors influenced you to go with a Wall Connector versus a weatherproof NEMA 14-50 setup with the UMC? I'm in a similar situation in that I have no garage and will be charging outside, and I'm on the fence as to whether I'll go with the NEMA 14-50 or the WC.

    Our house has covered porch adjacent to our driveway, which runs downhill from street level. The space below the porch is accessible from the driveway, and I've got a weatherproof NEMA 5-15 receptable installed there. For the past five years, I've had a 120V EVSE plugged in there and mounted to one of the supporting posts. Below is an old picture showing the Volt I used to drive parked and plugged in. (Since then, I've cut out a portion of the fence to make the EVSE area more accessible).

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    Over these five years, I've had no major issues with this setup, and I have only taken the portable EVSE with me once. This makes me think I would be just fine if I simply swapped the NEMA 5-15 for a NEMA 14-50 (along with the appropriate circuitry, of course) and used the UMC.

    My only concerns with this setup are:
    • Reliability of the UMC vs. WC unit in cold weather. I've left two different EVSEs plugged in 24/7 over a total of five New England winters without major trouble. (The only issue was that the Volt EVSE's cable casing became brittle below 20 F and split open in a couple of places. The e-Golf's EVSE has been fine so far, albeit over much milder winters) How well will the UMC hold up over 5-10 winters? Would the WC hold up any better?
    • Safety / reliability of the plug connection and receptacle. Charging at 32A / 240V is a different animal from 12A / 120V. It looks like the second-generation UMC has a slimmer NEMA 14-50 plug and will actually allow a weatherized RV receptable to close completely (unlike the first-generation UMC), which, if true, would greatly ease this concern. As far as the receptacle is concerned, I am aware that plugging/unplugging the UMC frequently will wear out the connectors, but I do not imagine that I will be doing this often, if at all, so the only concern would be the liability of some stupid kid (hopefully not my own!) getting under the porch and messing around with the outlet.
    My main concerns with the WC are:
    • Additional expense. I'd rather put the $500 + additional-installation-cost-over-the-14-50 toward the car itself, if it already comes with a working 240V charging solution.
    • Hardwired. (I'm not so adventurous that I would splice on a 14-50 plug.) Yes, this provides a safety/reliability advantage over the NEMA 14-50, but it also means that removing the unit would be more expensive and require an electrician. Why would we remove it? Well...
    • Non-standard connector / future-proofing. My wife's Subaru will be next up for replacement, probably sometime in the next 5 years. Ideally, the replacement vehicle would be a plug-in hybrid (since, alas, I see zero chance she'll want to spring for a Model Y or anything fully electric). That likely means we'll need a J1772 connector, absent a working, reliable Tesla-to-J1772 adapter. (Glad to see Quick Charge Power working on this, though...) A NEMA 14-50 plug gives us more flexibility to deal with the future than a hardwired, Tesla-specific solution.
    Anyway, that's basically where I'm at... leaning toward the NEMA 14-50, but still considering a WC nonetheless. Given that there are some similarities between our charging scenarios, I was just curious to see what your thought process was.
     
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    My setup is a simple, flat 4 car driveway (2 x 2). I will be putting the HPWC on the side of the house.

    My reasoning for my current plan is:

    A. The box (or gas pump, had I gone that route) will provide weather protection for the HPWC. The box is large enough to enclose the entire unit, as well as the 8.5' cord.

    B. Now that we know the UMC is "all new" for the Model 3, we don't know much about its long term durability yet. Had they kept the same UMC, I would use the logic many others who have an S and X have used. It's better to save the wear and tear on your UMC and just go with the hardwired HPWC, and keep the UMC in your car for travel. Can't forget to bring it that way.

    and.... everyone's favorite reason: C. It just looks cooler.

    ;)
     
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    Keep in mind that 1" conduit requires a 1-3/8" hole.
     
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    I plan to make a 2" hole and put a grommet around it.
     
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    Thanks. Good point that the second-generation UMC may have a completely different durability profile. Although I don't anticipate the need to take the UMC with me more than 1-2 times a year, I can see why you'd want to save "exposure to the elements" wear-and-tear on it. Having it as a backup in case the WC fails for whatever reason is also a plus.

    I think if Quick Charge Power's JDapter Stub proves reliable, and the prospect of replacing our Subaru with a plug-in hybrid appears > 50%, it might make sense for us to go with a WC from the outset, then just get the JDapter for the plug-in hybrid. Another alternative would be to leave our current 120V circuit intact (for any future plug-in hybrid's 120V EVSE, and for general outdoor use) and drill another hole through the foundation for the WC. Decisions, decisions...

    Well, obviously! That's why I didn't even bother to include it in my list.;)
     

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