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    So it's been stated (or interpreted from relative statements) that the Model 3 won't have dual motor options in 2017. The reasoning being simple streamlined roll out for the initial production. Despite my disappointment, I understand the logic, and respect it. One could speculate that they may limit or not even reveal other options early on. So if you take that logic to further what other options do you think will be singular or limited for the 2017 roll out?

    I'm worried that the battery pack could be limited. Musk tweeted that the M3 would max out at 75kwh due to the physical limitation of the wheelbase, but that doesn't mean that the 2017 model will offer more than one battery option. If I skip the dual motor option I'd really like to funnel that money into the battery pack options.

    I'm also wonder if they'll require autopilot for 2017 orders. It's in their interest to get M3 autopilot miles logged ASAP. So prioritizing orders that include autopilot, especially since that helps pay for the included hardware, would be another logical paring down for the 2017 options. Not to mention recent tweets about the lack of an instrument cluster or screen. That being said, I think eventually Musk should rip the band-aid off and make it standard on all Tesla models. As more and more established car makers enter the EV market autopilot will become one of the distinguishing features when you consider comments regarding how far ahead of the game Tesla is. Recent tweets and still simplified interior make me wonder if that time could be soon, but that seems overly optimistic.

    The interior options will probably be simplified for the car even into 2018. I get the feeling from the design language that there won't be a lot interior trim options. It will be very apple-esque as much as I abhor the company it makes sense here.

    Tesla has the opposite problem of most businesses, so they could be scheming even more ways to make future customers want to wait. A few bitter cancellations isn't really of any concern.

    Thoughts?
     
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      Elon just tweeted early reservers might see dual motors by Dec 31...
       
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        Autopilot and autonomy have nothing to do with production, they are just software switches. The hardware logs in "shadow mode" regardless of whether the features are purchased
         
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          All of this is true, my point is this could be used as a way to further narrow the field of backlogged orders. It was originally stated that Tesla would prioritize higher sticker orders first. Some of that could still be true. I find it hard to believe that there isn't an added benefit to autopilot being actuated in real world situations in addition to the shadow logging.
           
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          I can't find this can you provide a link? April fools day is over, right?
           
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            Thanks some of those replies slip by easily. I always find it hard to read through the replies on Twitter. Still not a fully committed statement so it's still subject to the usual 'Tesla date drift' as is everything. Hopefully they'll clarify that further when the order pages go up.
             
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              Elon is only allowed 1 April Fool's day joke right? It was still April 1st when he posted it.
               
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                Well he used it up on chem trails and alien messages. So hopefully this is true. When musk originally referred to 6 to 9 months no one was sure what point in time that was relative to. Knowing this I'm hopeful that this is a smaller delay than I imagined.
                 
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                  BTW thanks John for the heads up!
                   
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                  Being in Michigan I was hoping for delivery by sometime end of Q1, so AWD should have been available. Now I'm more confident. May even make beginning of year. I have a day 1 reservation.
                   
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                    That's not something he would joke about
                     
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                      And itwo in the 6-9 month timeline, but I'd question if awd is starting in 6 months, could they get thru all of the initial orders in 3 months? That seems pretty optimistic
                       
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                      Thanks for the vote of confidence. Elon would have a lot of upset reservation holders on his hands. (Especially after the tweet storm)
                       
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                      Melinda I don't think he said they wanted to get through all the initial orders before AWD. Taking the tweets together he said RWD first to minimize complexity, AWD asap in 6-9 months from March 24. That makes AWD production start Sep-Dec 2016. So he thinks by that time the line will hopefully be going smoothly enough to add this step. Hope he is right.
                       
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                        no, but the tweet yesterday hinted that early reservations wanting AWD would have them delivered by 12/31. That may be the case for California reservations, but can't see that happening across North America.
                         
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                        There will always be a mix of RWD and AWD going forward but I'm pretty sure they will introduce AWD as soon as they feel the ramp is progressing well and won't upset things too much. Elon is being very cautious when he talks about the ramp up. He went though 6 months of hell with Model X so it's still very fresh and doesn't want to over promise too much.

                        Launching a new car of this volume for them is a massive logistical undertaking. Don't underestimate the amount of work involved with this program.
                         
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                          It is interesting that he answered without qualifying location. I don't think anyone in, say, Australia thought they'd see ANY Model 3 before Dec 31.
                           
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                            I can't imagine they won't have ramped up the full country deliverys by the time they are making AWDs. That is likely more cars than ALL model Xs made so far.

                            Thank you kindly.
                             
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                              I agree they may well just be doing California at that point. At least he clarified it and it is more likely that early reservation holders in other places in the US won't have to make the choice. I just want my AWD 75 kWh glass roof by September 2018 so I am sure of the Ontario rebate. Pretty hopeful now as I reserved 31/3 before reveal.
                               
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