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  1. Charlie W

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    Whenever I buy gas for my car, I've always kept a record of things such as total cost, mileage, miles per gallon, price per gallon, "loyalty card" price -- you get the idea. My dad suggested I do this 40+ years ago. (Thanks, dad ... I guess. Am I the only one on the planet who does this?) Today, as I fueled-up my car, I was wondering: Do EV owners keep track of "things" when they charge their cars? And, if so, what do they track? And, when you get your Model 3, do you plan to keep a record of "things" when you charge? And, if you do, what will you track? Or should I set myself free from this ridiculous task of record-keeping and just enjoy the ride in, not only the car I've been waiting a lifetime to buy and enjoy, but a TESLA?! I appreciate your time & thoughts.

    ~Charlie
     
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    Charlie, you're not alone!!! Have been keeping notebooks & spreadsheets, tracking miles driven, avg. mileage, etc... for decades... :p
    And I imagine that driving an EV will be no different... there will of course be something to track! :)
     
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    see my signature ;)

    My first 13-14 years of driving was in a '67 with a temperamental fuel float - so after the time I ran out of gas with the needle showing just under a half tank, I've tracked every fill-up. The habit carried over with my modern cars. we shall see how that translates over to kWs
     
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    There are a lot of people who track their consumption history. Tesla makes it easier with 3 individual trip meters. I watch several YouTubers doing it.
     
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    It will be very interesting to adjust our self with those w and Kwh/mile or kilometer etc.:oops:o_O
     
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    I have never tracked anything along the lines myself. I was afraid that I would lose the fun driving when I constantly looked at what I paid for all the gas in total. And the info wouldn't get me anywhere. I saw no purpose. I knew wouldn't say "Oh I have to drive less" or anything.

    But I guess now that things change, I should see my payment logs and calculate a price per month, so that I can be happy how much less the Model 3 will cost me. And to brag / convince, of course.
     
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    The one thing I keep track of is the kWh that is supplied by the EVSE is my house. The Juicebox EVSE provides that information.
     
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    Hell no I won't track it...I could care less that it's an electric vehicle...

    The selling points for me are the good looks , awd and the performance..

    For those that track mileage and range..

    God bless you. I'll take your data and estimate mine is real close..

    Gas is so cheap...it's hard to rationalize the choice on gas savings...

    The instant torque and quiet operation is what I'm looking forward to...

    Might track it at English town for quarter mile times though
     
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    maybe where you are.
    I just paid over $3/gal and that was using a few -$.10 grocery/gas credits (and that's nothing compared to those outside the oil-subsidized USA). With my local electricity at $.08/kW, the difference is very significant.
     
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    #10 Dash, Jun 1, 2017
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    Wat .. we pay €.30/kWh in effing Germany. I can be lucky if charging the car only costs half than filling it up with gas :(

    Update: did some calculations and updated my signature, too. So far I paid more for gas and repairs than for the used car itself. Told ya statistics would not make me happy.
     
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    Dash, hallo!
    If I remember correctly when SC fees were published early 2017, I had estimated that SC'ing on long trips would cost me less than half of average diesel consumption today... Then there is presumably less maintenance & tax costs... Feeling confident... ;)
     
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    I've always kept track of my mileage, fuel usage, oil changes, tires, etc. With my Volt, I still keep track of fuel mileage, even though it's fairly meaningless. When I go all electric with the M3, I suspect I won't track power usage. I haven't tracked it with my Volt, although OnStar keeps track automatically if I ever feel like looking at the numbers.
     
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    I also learned a similar thing from my dad. He would always reset the trip odometer whenever he bought gas. I sometimes do that too, but I never actually do anything with that information.
     
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    I'll track specific trips/routes I routinely take that involve large amounts of elevation change and can also include high winds, cold temps, rough mountain roads, and snow. I've done this with my Leaf, noting battery percentages at points along the routes in winter vs summer, as well as lowest percentage hit during the trip and at what point. It's been crucial to safe travel in the backcountry where chargers are nearly nonexistent and route characteristics make the car's range estimations inaccurate. I've found the same inaccurate range estimates in my area with a family member's 100D, so I expect the same with the model 3.
     
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    I agree for most of us. In Quebec, we pay the highest price per liter in Canada for gas and at the opposite, we pay the cheaper price for electricity. My calculation, going electric, will save me about +-70% of what I spent for gas yearly.:D
     
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    G'day,
    The solar works out well in Sydney for long term investment. At the moment petrol is about $1.20/ litre and electricity is about 30 cents per kw. If you have a 5.3 kw roof solar (costing 16k to $20,000 including the tesla 2 wall) it produces minimum 23 kw per day ( the house uses 16 kw and the tesla 3 car will use about (I'm guessing) about 7 kw for 40km work commute. I should break even in 6 years and make a few thousand a year for how ever long the systems lasts ( plus the megatons of carbon). Sadly, Aussies uptake of solar and Evs are low as most are more focused on keeping the fridge full of beer and enough steaks ready for the weekend BBQ.
     
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    I just worry about the price of gas. I think I'm paying 3.17 a gallon for premium today for my corvette...

    I apologize if the cost of fuel is not a primary reason for me to want a tesla model 3.

    The car is so beautifully styled and sexy...not to mention quiet and quick...I want one.

    To properly answer The original poster of this thread..I won't track my consumption of electricity or range but I will or might just take this thing to English town to see how well it does on the quarter mile track...

    As long as we can a reasonably priced model 3 to run to sixty in 4 flat...I'd be ecstatic...quarter mile 12.4@ 166 mph? Would be an awd 75 pack model 3...but just based off conjecture
     
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    With the Tesla API you can track it yourself or use a site that does it for you (there are both free and for pay ones out there). I do a bit of both types:

    1) Daily monitoring via EVTripping.com (free)
    2) Weekly log of basic mileage/power use (as reported by the car)
    3) Monthly log of mileage, power use reported by the car, power use reported by my meter on my EV plug at my home.
    4) I also keep a log of all maintenance, tire rotations etc.

    Doesn't take much time. Other than casual looking I dont spend much time looking at individual trips or days unless I'm trying to understand or study something specific.
     
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    I've little faith in any information or equipment in the vehicle supplied by the manufacturer, I feel it doesn't give a true real world usage/mileage report.
    I prefer to measure pump to odometer for ICE cars.

    I tracked my 2008 Honda Fit for 4 years / 145,000 km, (fuel mileage maintenance,repairs, etc.)
    It was advertised as (best mileage) of
    5.6 liters /100 km - listed
    But here in Canada with the many winter driving months and the preheating of the car at - 25 C & colder conditions I averaged
    7 liters/100 km - real world

    Driving a Miev EV for 5 years now I slacked off & relied on the utility kw rating and the Ev's fully charged to my mileage experience,
    Having such a short range (60 miles/100 km), I've had to rely a lot on public chargers and makes it more complex to track.
    This also comes at a much greater cost than charging at home,

    With the model 3's range , I foresee only needing to charge at home for my every day routine needs.
    This is where i want to install a KW usage meter - before the EVSE.
    This way I can also measure M3 & EVSE idling, as well as preheating the vehicle before departures.
    And I'll use the odometer to get an average.

    I already have a 40 amp (J1772) EVSE and should be enough for my needs,
    Any recommendations for an easy to install /use kw meter 220 v ?
     
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    I went with an EKM Meter:
    img_2965.jpg

    I wrote it up more here:
    http://teslaliving.net/2014/07/07/measuring-ev-charging-efficiency/
     
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