Winter wheel/tire options for Performance Model 3 with Performance Upgrades

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Hi folks -

I've recently taken delivery of my Model 3 - Performance AWD with the Performance Upgrade pack (20 inch wheels, upgraded brakes). Car is amazing and I love it!

I live in Ontario, Canada and will be needing winter tires. I don't want to put snow tires on the 20 inch wheels because the efficiency is going to be miserable in the winter and the traction likely too. Unfortunately, the Tesla 18 aero and 19 inch sport options do not work with Performance Upgrade pack equipped cars because of the brakes and the wheel fitment (now confirmed on Tesla website). I called Tesla and they said they have no information as to when / if they will update their options to have a Performance Upgrade compatible version (shocker :))

I'm wondering what others are doing here? The only real option that I've seen that is confirmed to work with Performance Upgrade cars is Tsportline wheels (see link below), but they are a bit expensive. I'd prefer something a bit cheaper, 18's, and as aero as I can get...

Any suggestions or comparable experience feedback would be great... Thanks!


https://tsportline.com/collections/...ckage-set-of-4-model-3?variant=18898371870838
 

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I'd prefer something a bit cheaper, 18's, and as aero as I can get...
@Mad Hungarian is going to have a solution for us soon. He confirmed that the 18" FastWheels FC04 wheels will clear the PUO's brake calipers. He will be explaining how to fit it on the rotor hats correctly in a video.

@TrevP should be putting up that video... <elontime>SOON...</elontime>. ;)

 

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oh those calipers...

So, the summer set definitely has to go for the winter for those of us with the performance package upgrade/ 20" performance summer tire set that live in the mid-atlantic and northeast.

Tire rack looks like they have an option to select Model 3 Performance with PERFORMANCE BRAKES - the 20" options were too expensive and 18" I'm worried will be too crappy of a drive.

I want to go 19"s but I wanted to stick with the Conti's and they only had 245/40 R19 and list those as "might fit" or something.

When I plug this size into a size comparison calculator they should be about 1% smaller than the current staggered set.

Has anyone successfully put 245/40 R19s on their M3P?

If you purchased a winter set, can you post the size you bought and if it worked out not?
 

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I haven't bought them yet, but I'm planning to get a set of FastWheels FC04 18"x9" for winter use. I haven't decided what tires to get, but I'm probably going to get something with decent cold wet/dry performance, rather than great snow performance. @Mad Hungarian has confirmed that the 18" version has clearance for the Performance Upgrade brake calipers, but it's also available in a 19" size if you prefer that.

Pictures of the 18" rims mounted on a Performance Upgrade Model 3:
 

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I haven't bought them yet, but I'm planning to get a set of FastWheels FC04 18"x9" for winter use. I haven't decided what tires to get, but I'm probably going to get something with decent cold wet/dry performance, rather than great snow performance. @Mad Hungarian has confirmed that the 18" version has clearance for the Performance Upgrade brake calipers, but it's also available in a 19" size if you prefer that.

Pictures of the 18" rims mounted on a Performance Upgrade Model 3:

I think I might cancel my order and go with an 18" set since they seem to fit calipers ok. I'll just live with the spongy ride all winter. I have a really, really bad feeling about our winter in the mid-atlantic this year and I have a job I need to get to.
 

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I have 19's on order (19x8.5) and am going with X-Ice ic3's in 245/40r19. While I'd prefer something narrower in the winter, but as you note, it is a close match to OEM sizing. I normally use Nokian's, but I hear good things about the X-Ice's as well and Tirerack has them for $885 after rebate for a full set.
 

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I have 19's on order (19x8.5) and am going with X-Ice ic3's in 245/40r19. While I'd prefer something narrower in the winter, but as you note, it is a close match to OEM sizing. I normally use Nokian's, but I hear good things about the X-Ice's as well and Tirerack has them for $885 after rebate for a full set.
yeah I called Tirerack this morning to triple confirm the 245/40 R19 would be ok, he assured me they would. It's on Tirerack now... Sticking with the Conti's this time. X-Ice next time
 

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Going to try to get another season out of the 18" Blizzaks I have left over from the old car. They are already mounted on the TSportline 18s that are optioned out for P+ firment.
 

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oh those calipers...

So, the summer set definitely has to go for the winter for those of us with the performance package upgrade/ 20" performance summer tire set that live in the mid-atlantic and northeast.

Tire rack looks like they have an option to select Model 3 Performance with PERFORMANCE BRAKES - the 20" options were too expensive and 18" I'm worried will be too crappy of a drive.

I want to go 19"s but I wanted to stick with the Conti's and they only had 245/40 R19 and list those as "might fit" or something.

When I plug this size into a size comparison calculator they should be about 1% smaller than the current staggered set.

Has anyone successfully put 245/40 R19s on their M3P?

If you purchased a winter set, can you post the size you bought and if it worked out not?

We offer 19" TST Wheel and Tire Packages with Bridgestone Blizzak LM-32 Winter Tires in 235/40-19". Our wheels are compatible, just simply select the correct Model 3 trim you own to receive the right wheel.
 
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I'm new to sport wheels, for the performance upgrade, what's the difference between the tire sizes for winter tires, 18 vs 19, etc? Not sure which one to get and hope to get my delivery early next month so want to be prepared.
 

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Anyone? Or doesn't it matter except the cost?
You will be fine with either 18 or 19 inch rims. The smaller the diameter rim the better efficiency you will get with your M3 for range in regards to wh/mi. 18 will get the best range and will of course be less expensive. 19's will be less efficient and more expensive. Although 19's will look much better in my opinion. I'm opting for the 19's since I have 20's on mine already, I'll get the best of both worlds that way.
 

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I think I'm going to go with the Tire Rack C4 18" wheels and Michelin CrossClimate+ 235/45R18's for my P3D+

We don't have that much snow in Delaware and the CrossClimates had a great CR and TR review - with good snow traction and low roll resistance.

TR Review
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=231

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https://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Whe...ht+Grey+Painted&showRear=no&packageFlow=false

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https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive&vehicleSearch=true
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I'm in a similar bind right now, trying to find a good solution before the snow flies. From my research, here's the state of the nation.

If you want 100% compatible, bolt on and forget it for the Model 3 Performance with Performance Upgrade (P3D+), the only options appear to be the turbines from TSportline or EVWheel Direct. There are countless other options available that will fit, but will require the use of wheel spacers / hub rings / lug adapters. There are varying opinions about the challenges and risks associated with those approaches. Tirerack has a lot of options, but in speaking with them, they say none of their solutions are truly hubcentric (64.1mm hub with accommodation for the ~3mm lip on the P3D+) so take that into consideration. Titan 7 is manufacturing a series of gorgeous forged wheels that will be custom fit for the Model 3 with accommodation for the unique hub situation, but those are not shipping yet, will have a different offset (39 or 40) and while gorgeous, are a very open design so perhaps not the ideal winter solution). Those are sold through Evasive Motorsports and they've told me they won't be shipping until January. Some manufacturers are custom milling their wheels to fit, and I believe Get Your Wheels has several brands they work with that will do this, but I've not done much research there. They are active participants on the forums so easy to find threads that speak to this. Oh, and be careful with 18" wheels as some but not all will clear the larger calipers.

Beyond that, the 19" OEM wheels are not advised by Tesla, the only apparent reason is that this ~3mm lip changes the offset (the rotor hats are narrower than the regular model, exposing a part of the hub that isn't really meant to protrude - the lip), which is why the P3D+ has +35 as compared to the +40 offset on the rest of the OEM wheels. Theoretically, you could run those with a spacer, but you'd want to check that the lugs are long enough to properly secure the wheels (they likely are, I just haven't seen anyone do so). And lastly some people have mounted the OEM 19" (which seem to now have the accommodation for the 3mm lip, but no guarantee that's what you'll get when you order) with the tighter offset, but I don't know if that will clear all suspension components, etc. So, 19" OEM is sort of an option, but with caveats. You'd want to do your homework on fitment to be satisfied.

And lastly, the OEM 20" option... Someone on one of the forums recently spoke with Tesla and was told a winter package for the P3D+ will be made available shortly (expected in November), but will only be the 20" OEM wheel with winter tires. Currently, you can buy replacement wheels for $810 (CAD) each from Tesla and the only two winter tires available in 235/35/20 are the Michelin & Pirelli performance winters which are very expensive. I contacted Nokian who said they are developing the Hakkapeliitta R3 in this size but likely won't be in market until next year. The low sidewall isn't ideal for winter, obviously.

This is all just based on my own research, conversations with Tesla, various aftermarket retailers, and many hours reading through the forums. No guarantee I'm 100% accurate on all of this, so happy to be corrected if anyone has better intel, and would love to hear about any other options that are a true custom fit for the P3D+.

Good luck!
 
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Tsportline is sold out on the 18 inch styles, I can't even find any 20 inch snow tires that fit the wheels I currently have on. I have been looking at custom makers of wheel adapters to have some firm fit the 3mm ridge plus the 63.4 hub and then be able to make any size adapter so that people could buy any wheels they want...this seems like a good option if the adapter doesn't have to be to thick...has anyone tried this yet? I don't know of any other good fitting options...

-Chris